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So...you choose to listen to the one health professional saying that instead of the literally thousands of other health professionals saying the opposite?
Those were the same health professionals who said masks were not useful before they said they were.
If masks worked, we would have beat the virus. I wear mine whenever I am out in public but I am not stupid enough to think that it offers any protection. No one else should be under that illusion. The virus is spreading not because people are not wearing masks. It is spreading because that's what a virus does. I do get irritated when people violate social distancing which they do all the time.
I just can't see this as being viable or enforceable. It's too draconian. While I disagree with those on this board about the best way to address the Covid-19 issue, we cannot force people to take the vaccine any more than we can force them to immunize their children from measles. And some people cannot take vaccines for medical reasons, such as pregnant or nursing mothers, possibly children. Some people - the least vulnerable to the disease - will be the last to get immunized.
And who are we protecting? The people who already had the vaccine? They are already protected. This idea would merely further ostracize those already being scorned by the general public.
I think the best measures we can take as organizers during the vaccination stage (assuming we will run tournaments) would be to provide as hygienic an environment as possible. This would include having hand sanitizer available, cleaning clocks, boards and pieces between games, encouraging wearing of masks, and so on. In terms of preventing persons from playing, I would be in favor of having a persons exhibiting symptoms of contagious illness - Covid or otherwise - being told not to play. I personally hate playing an opponent who obviously has a cold.
You cannot force people to get a vaccination but neither can they force you to let them in your tournament without a vaccination. Anyway it is silly for us to argue this point. The government is going to decide the rules for any gatherings including chess tournaments.
I just can't see this as being viable or enforceable. It's too draconian. While I disagree with those on this board about the best way to address the Covid-19 issue, we cannot force people to take the vaccine any more than we can force them to immunize their children from measles. And some people cannot take vaccines for medical reasons, such as pregnant or nursing mothers, possibly children. Some people - the least vulnerable to the disease - will be the last to get immunized.
And who are we protecting? The people who already had the vaccine? They are already protected. This idea would merely further ostracize those already being scorned by the general public.
I think the best measures we can take as organizers during the vaccination stage (assuming we will run tournaments) would be to provide as hygienic an environment as possible. This would include having hand sanitizer available, cleaning clocks, boards and pieces between games, encouraging wearing of masks, and so on. In terms of preventing persons from playing, I would be in favor of having a persons exhibiting symptoms of contagious illness - Covid or otherwise - being told not to play. I personally hate playing an opponent who obviously has a cold.
more to the point, from what I read, epidemiologists are not in favour of vaccine passports because it leads to people improperly estimating the risks of their behaviour. Chess tournaments for vaccinated people being an example. With a 95% effectiveness rate, that is still 5-10 people at the tournament who are not immune. If COVID is still prevalent in the community, those people will be exposed and eventually get COVID. If you are say 70 odd years old and happen to be in the 5% that don't take up immunity from the vaccine, you face a 20% or so death rate. That's a bad deal.
The epidemiologist view of when "normal" activities can resume is when COVID is no longer prevalent in the community because herd immunity has been achieved. A vaccine passport is not required then because well, herd immunity. Taking up social activities with other vaccinated people before herd immunity is achieved is not safe, vaccine passport or not.
What do people think about making vaccination a pre-requisite to entering a chess tournament, at least
until we have confirmation that herd immunity has been achieved?
I just can't see this as being viable or enforceable. It's too draconian. While I disagree with those on this board about the best way to address the Covid-19 issue, we cannot force people to take the vaccine any more than we can force them to immunize their children from measles. And some people cannot take vaccines for medical reasons, such as pregnant or nursing mothers, possibly children. Some people - the least vulnerable to the disease - will be the last to get immunized.
And who are we protecting? The people who already had the vaccine? They are already protected. This idea would merely further ostracize those already being scorned by the general public.
I think the best measures we can take as organizers during the vaccination stage (assuming we will run tournaments) would be to provide as hygienic an environment as possible. This would include having hand sanitizer available, cleaning clocks, boards and pieces between games, encouraging wearing of masks, and so on. In terms of preventing persons from playing, I would be in favor of having a persons exhibiting symptoms of contagious illness - Covid or otherwise - being told not to play. I personally hate playing an opponent who obviously has a cold.
Last edited by Garland Best; Thursday, 31st December, 2020, 11:57 AM.
Reason: Clarifying some of the text.
Masks are a virtue signal and virtually useless in stopping the spread. One health professional likened it to putting up a chain link fence and hoping that it would keep mosquitoes out.
So...you choose to listen to the one health professional saying that instead of the literally thousands of other health professionals saying the opposite?
Obviously, my point is that you do. For example, would you support Air Canada refusing to allow a passenger who did not have proof of vaccination (assuming that it was properly warned at ticket purchase time that you would not be allowed to board without such proof)?
Yes, I would support AC (assuming we're talking about a vaccine that is safe and effective). It wasn't that long ago in Ontario that, with very few exceptions, parents had to prove that their kids' vaccinations and boosters were up to date or have their children face suspension from school. One of the exemptions was for members of religions that prohibit vaccination. You know, the people who think their god will protect them and their children from disease but who teach their children to look both ways before crossing a street?
Last edited by Peter McKillop; Wednesday, 30th December, 2020, 07:34 PM.
Masks are a virtue signal and virtually useless in stopping the spread. One health professional likened it to putting up a chain link fence and hoping that it would keep mosquitoes out.
Oops! I think you've got that one backwards, Vlad. Refusal to wear a mask signals a selfish asshole who is unwilling to do something that causes him/her no harm but which public health authorities say is preventatively beneficial for the health of others. And don't bother replying with links to conspiracy sites. If you object to what I'm saying then provide a link to a Canadian public health official who backs up your position. Canadian!! Don't bother linking to some gun-toting, bourbon-swilling American dumbass.
Hey that reminds me, a few weeks ago you were crtical of some of the media sites where I get news. I asked you to name some of the sites where you get your news. You haven't provided that information yet. Why not? Embarrassed?
Masks are a virtue signal and virtually useless in stopping the spread. One health professional likened it to putting up a chain link fence and hoping that it would keep mosquitoes out.
What did that "health professional" suggest then?
And I mean for the here and now - not the tired old 'we should have closed the borders earlier - or we should have added hydroxychloroquine to Canadian beer' etc.
I am definitely in the "be safe, stay home, get vaccinated" camp. Others are not and may vary their response on business-x or company-y's service refusal based on whether or not if caused them any personal inconvenience.
Let's face it, even though our numbers are better than the US's (by more than the population size factor), sadly we have our share of crazy and conspiracy folks as well.
Last edited by Sam Sharpe; Wednesday, 30th December, 2020, 04:00 PM.
Reason: typo
It depends on whether one wishes to buy something from that establishment.
Obviously, my point is that you do. For example, would you support Air Canada refusing to allow a passenger who did not have proof of vaccination (assuming that it was properly warned at ticket purchase time that you would not be allowed to board without such proof)?
The decision to take a vaccine is a personal decision between a patient and his Dr. No one has the right to pressure a healthy non contagious person into taking a rushed and therefore potentially very dangerous vaccine. These vaccines are still part of a trial and the recipients are in effect human guinea pigs.
i would never willingly take a COVID19 vaccine and would have no compunction to sue any business, govt entity or organizer trying to dictate what medications go into my body.
Do you support the right of a private business or organization refusing service without proof of vaccine?
Although a rapid test gives results in 20 minutes, the normal test results may take a couple of day so need to be tested a few days before. Then there's contact at the airport and other tourists/staff in the Banff resort so will still need to wear masks, frequent hand washing, and monitor temperature daily. (And take Vitamins A, C, Zinc.) Any symptoms requires withdrawal and self isolation - have to book an extra week in the hotel. Tournament not recommended for seniors or those with a compromised immunity system.
Masks are a virtue signal and virtually useless in stopping the spread. One health professional likened it to putting up a chain link fence and hoping that it would keep mosquitoes out.
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