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  • #76
    The worst title match ever...

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    • #77
      Congratulations to Gukesh - World Champion at 18!

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      • #78
        Let the partying begin - India must be rocking!

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        • #79
          Its been seen over and over - how nerves affect the championship - for the newcomers amongst the spectators (and alot of the oldtimers who have forgotten) more proof about how the tension has a huge role in the battle.

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          • #80
            https://www.chess.com/news/view/fide...p-2024-game-14

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            • #81
              Certainly the finish was not predicted by anyone.

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              • #82
                Seems now he should offer a match with Magnus seems incorrect to accept World Champion with out that

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
                  Congratulations to Gukesh - World Champion at 18!
                  And, I believe, the18th man to hold the world title (excluding the late 90s/early 00s so-called FIDE champs).
                  "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                  "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                  "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                  • #84
                    https://www.chess.com/news/view/fide...p-2024-game-14

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                    • #85
                      https://en.chessbase.com/post/world-...nship-2024-g14

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                      • #86
                        An observer pointed out on Twitter that it is now quite ironic that there is still an under 20 World Championship - maybe Gukesh should automatically get that too? (tongue in cheek).
                        Kramnik of course immediately decried the loss of the championship via such an elementary blunder - no surprise there due to Kramnik's recent obsession with alleged cheating in chess.com events etc.

                        Gukesh seems to have very strong nerves and kudos to him for weathering the pressure. Both he and Ding exhibited a great deal of class and sportsmanship - they don't make the rules or the terms and conditions but they both saw it through.

                        Of course, the whole FIDE world championship "cycle" and many other related issues should be revamped but it isn't so clear what a reasonable change could be. There are people who are fans of the match format, but I tend to like the old (1948?) style double round-robin with (say) 16 players. As is the case in many sports, the problem of breaking ties is problematic - I am NOT a fan of suddenly switching to some other format or formats like rapid, time handicap or armageddon to settle ties. Perhaps changing the scoring for wins and draws to give a slight edge to wins is a better plan?

                        ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                        • #87
                          Not sure if I agree that this has been the worst title match of all time. The 1981 Karpov vs Korchnoi title match in Merano was very one-sided, in favor of GM Karpov, so I will go with that. Those two had played three prior matches, including a drawn 6-game training match in 1971 (see Bronstein's final book from 2007 for the games from that); a 24-game Candidates' Final match in 1974 (3-2 for Karpov with 19 draws); and a 32-game title match in 1978 (6-5 for Karpov with 21 draws).

                          This one which is just now completed at least had some intense drama and pressure, right to the end.

                          Congratulations to GM Gukesh on winning the title!!!! He got off to the right start by winning the Candidates' Tournament, held in Toronto earlier this year!!! And I thought that was itself an upset!!

                          My choice for the best title match of all time? Botvinnik vs Bronstein, 1951, which wound up tied, after 24 games. GM Bronstein was unable to win the match because of the superior endgame adjournment analysis skills of World Champion GM Botvinnik, who kept his title for three years, with the drawn match. Bronstein's wins were mainly before the first time control at move 40; Botvinnik's wins came in the second sessions, from mostly fairly level positions.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Frank Dixon View Post
                            Not sure if I agree that this has been the worst title match of all time. The 1981 Karpov vs Korchnoi title match in Merano was very one-sided, in favor of GM Karpov, so I will go with that. Those two had played three prior matches, including a drawn 6-game training match in 1971 (see Bronstein's final book from 2007 for the games from that); a 24-game Candidates' Final match in 1974 (3-2 for Karpov with 19 draws); and a 32-game title match in 1978 (6-5 for Karpov with 21 draws).

                            This one which is just now completed at least had some intense drama and pressure, right to the end.

                            Congratulations to GM Gukesh on winning the title!!!! He got off to the right start by winning the Candidates' Tournament, held in Toronto earlier this year!!! And I thought that was itself an upset!!

                            My choice for the best title match of all time? Botvinnik vs Bronstein, 1951, which wound up tied, after 24 games. GM Bronstein was unable to win the match because of the superior endgame adjournment analysis skills of World Champion GM Botvinnik, who kept his title for three years, with the drawn match. Bronstein's wins were mainly before the first time control at move 40; Botvinnik's wins came in the second sessions, from mostly fairly level positions.
                            Match Karpov-Korchnoi 1981 was a match between number 1 and 2 that time, compare to numbers 5 and 22(!!) by rating this time. Yes, current match had more drama and pressure, but also too many huge blunders. Also, permanent attempts by Ding to make a draw with white color almost in every position (except in game 12) didn't contribute to high quality of this event.

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                            • #89
                              https://en.chessbase.com/post/grivas-on-wch-games-13-14

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                              • #90
                                This match somewhat reminded me of Carlsen v Karjakin, 2016, with Gukesh playing the part of Carlsen, mostly pressing for wins, while Ding (Karjakin) seemed content to mostly defend and rely, perhaps, on his opponent over-pressing. I think that the result was quite fair, and Gukesh generally played better.
                                "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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