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Level of oilsands pollution 5x higher than Alberta claims?
Level of oilsands pollution 5x higher than Alberta claims?
An independent study by the Proceedings of U. S. National Academy of Sciences claims that Alberta (and Canada) is underreporting tar sands pollution by a factor of 5, as reported in todays Globe and Mail.
More headaches for our government at Copenhagen...
Re: Level of oilsands pollution 5x higher than Alberta claims?
Vlad, Copenhagen is not one issue like sending money somewhere. Lets have some gray thinking instead of just black/white. Why do you like to oversimplify so much in this case?
Why do you overcomplicate in other cases, like not understanding that more greenhouse gases --> more warming (what could be simpler than that, yet you do not recognize this and try to overcomplicate).
What about having some moral substance as well. Just because others pollute more or steal or lock up 1% of their population does not mean that Canada has to do this also. Can't we think for ourselves based on what kind of a country we want?
Can't we think for ourselves based on what kind of a country we want?
But pollution isn't like problems such as incarcerating people. Country A's pollution becomes not only A's problem, but B's, C's and D's as well.
I think if some countries sign on to the idea of minimizing pollution while others do not, then those that do not are going to have a huge advantage, no? Won't they be able to export products cheaper, since the true cost of the goods (i.e. including pollution) is going to be borne not only by those countries?
BTW, I am in New Zealand at moment.
Two interesting points re climate, the media and NZ:
1) I would say that news features about Copenhagen and Tiger Woods are about equally popular.
2) That "Climategate" has some traction, at least in the news, here. Also on the Australian news, from what I have seen.
"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
Re: Level of oilsands pollution 5x higher than Alberta claims?
If a large country like the US signed up to minimize polution it could put a tariff on goods that it imports from countries that do not sign up to minimize pollution. That tariff would neutralize the costs of the cheaper goods produced by polluters, and provide an incentive to the polluters to also sign up.
If a large country like the US signed up to minimize polution it could put a tariff on goods that it imports from countries that do not sign up to minimize pollution. That tariff would neutralize the costs of the cheaper goods produced by polluters, and provide an incentive to the polluters to also sign up.
Do you have any idea how the gas and oil pipelines are located across North America? How the Canadian and U.S. supply is more or less intertwined?
Vlad, Copenhagen is not one issue like sending money somewhere. Lets have some gray thinking instead of just black/white. Why do you like to oversimplify so much in this case?
Why do you overcomplicate in other cases, like not understanding that more greenhouse gases --> more warming (what could be simpler than that, yet you do not recognize this and try to overcomplicate).
What about having some moral substance as well. Just because others pollute more or steal or lock up 1% of their population does not mean that Canada has to do this also. Can't we think for ourselves based on what kind of a country we want?
Paul,
As we have seen with the climategate emails, the information coming from the eco-extremists should be taken with some care. You should not jump like this on anything you hear.
Industrial plants that use to make pollution in my area no more do. Our technology is improving at a good rate. The Tar sand industry is young, they will improve, with profits they will develop better technologys and better methods.
BE CONFIDENT AND PATIENT. HUMANS WITHIN FREE MARKET AND CAPITALISM ARE SIMPLY FANTASTICS AND HAVE CREATED A FANTASTIC MODERN WORLD.
Who is "WE". Governments with more extractions of my taxes?
I think the best solutions are simpler than you think but take just some more times: Invest in school, send your kids at schools and university and the technologys and the productivity will improve.
But trying to stop the productivity, creating more controls, more taxes will simply lead to a more fragile america.
The point is "WE" don't want to cut emissions. A few looney tunes want to cut emissions and governments will soon find if they want to change our life style and cost us jobs we won't vote for them.
The point is "WE" don't want to cut emissions. A few looney tunes want to cut emissions and governments will soon find if they want to change our life style and cost us jobs we won't vote for them.
Thousands of people die in car accidents. "WE" don't want to save these lifes. If "WE" wanted to save it WE could find solutions. The climategate emails scandal show that ecoextremists want us to put CO2 in the top prioritys even if they use false informations. Ecoextremists change the normal course of democraty priorities of the people.
To save the life of thousands of people that die in car accidents in China there would be 2 kind of solutions:
1 - Deniers: Let the technology improve and, if the government wants to spend money on it, create universitys and help science just like Republicans do in USA.
2 - The extremists socialists: Take 11 billions dollars per year to pay for extra government cops with police-cars to reduce the speed (reducing the mobility, the right to have fun on the highway).
Stopping, slowing and destroying our economy and burning our profits in poor countrys is a solution but it is not the american way in my book for success. The billions in Copennags would be better invest in our tecnologys and universitys here in rich countrys. 11 bilions dollars creates a lot of engineers. In the poor country the same money will help reduce of few millions tons of CO2 out of the 100 bilions tons created by the nature itselft and the 3 billions tons created by humans. Complete lost of money.
In Quebec 40% of the kids do not succeed high school (complete non sense) but the top priority in the head of the majority here is the CO2 levels, so we will send our taxes to the indians and the chinese next year!!!
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Tuesday, 22nd December, 2009, 05:01 PM.
Quebec has the highest level of taxes per person in any province and in any of the US states. And the statistics showed this year that we score in the last for entreprenorship in north america (percentage of people that wants to launch a business in the next five years and the percentage of people that say they would need government help to start a business) and we have the highest rate of union workers systems in north america (40% of the population compared to 16% in Canada and 12% in USA). And we have the highest deficit in Canada's provinces per person. (Journal Les Affaires).
National Socialism like we have in Quebec and Cuba need taxes and always more taxes and generate more and more corruption since business people see the government is rich. A road in Quebec cost 40% more money than in Ontario just because of the corruption.
Do you still need more and more government intervention and controls Benoit? Why wouldn't we keep some projects for the free market to solve?
To save the life of thousands of people that die in car accidents in China there would be 2 kind of solutions:
1 - Deniers: Let the technology improve and, if the government wants to spend money on it, create universitys and help science just like Republicans do in USA.
Republicans help science? Like, denying federal funds for stem cell research on religious grounds?
2 - The extremists socialists: Take 11 billions dollars per year to pay for extra government cops with police-cars to reduce the speed (reducing the mobility, the right to have fun on the highway).
Do you think speed limits are put in place to deny "fun on the highway"? Do you not want any limits at all?
American universities produce mainly NFL and NBA players. The rest of what comes out of American universities are primarily the jockstraps that couldn't make it to the pros and had to become "engineers" or other real working professionals instead.
There are some other good engineers produced, I suppose, but they are the ones doing stem cell research and receiving no Republican federal funding because Republicans are so in favor of science.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Do you think speed limits are put in place to deny "fun on the highway"? Do you not want any limits at all?
I find it amusing that some pretty strong chessplayers here just don't seem to get the idea of rules outside of chess.
No competition is possible without rules. Every explicit competition must, of necessity, exist within a wider implicit context of cooperation.
If you move your bishop as if it were a knight you are no longer playing chess. Every competitor in a chess tournament cooperates to play chess according to it's rules. This is cooperative group action of playing by the rules of chess is what makes competition in a chess tournament possible at all. Without the rules there is no game.
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