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    Susan Polgar's puzzle of the day features Cheparinov - Lopez Martinez from the European championship. Black to move and if Black finds the right move White should resign! The position is a nightmare from White's perspective. See: www.susanpolgar.com

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    Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

    Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
    Susan Polgar's puzzle of the day features Cheparinov - Lopez Martinez from the European championship. Black to move and if Black finds the right move White should resign! The position is a nightmare from White's perspective. See: www.susanpolgar.com
    Well, but the move is pretty darned easy to see. Even I saw it in about 30 seconds.

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      Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

      This is the diagram, as below:

      Black to move and win. How should Black proceed?

      Source: ChessToday.net (check out Chess Today website for more information about the best daily chess newspaper)

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        Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

        Originally posted by Caesar Posylek View Post
        This is the diagram, as below:

        Black to move and win. How should Black proceed?

        Source: ChessToday.net (check out Chess Today website for more information about the best daily chess newspaper)
        It's possible to put the position here directly so people don't need to log in:

        Last edited by Neil Sullivan; Wednesday, 10th March, 2010, 08:42 AM.

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          Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

          Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
          Well, but the move is pretty darned easy to see. Even I saw it in about 30 seconds.
          Im sure it is. - but GM Cheparinov was recently a 2700 GM and he didnt see it coming. I am not a GM but in the position what is White playing for (the plan? heck any plan will do? but what is it? White's position even without viewing the tactics looks bankrupt.

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            Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

            [Event "EU-ch (Men) 11th"]
            [Site "Rijeka"]
            [Date "2010.03.07"]
            [Round "2.23"]
            [White "Cheparinov, Ivan"]
            [Black "Lopez Martinez, Josep Manuel"]
            [Result "0-1"]
            [ECO "C18"]
            [WhiteElo "2657"]
            [BlackElo "2548"]
            [PlyCount "46"]
            [EventDate "2010.03.06"]
            [EventType "swiss"]
            [EventRounds "11"]
            [EventCountry "CRO"]
            [SourceDate "2010.03.06"]

            1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Nc6 7. Qg4 g6 8. Bd2 Bd7 9. Nf3 c4 10. h4 h6 11. Qf4 Nce7 12. a4 Qa5 13. Nh2 Bxa4 14. Ng4 Qb5 15. Nf6+ Nxf6 16. exf6 Nc6 17. Kd1 O-O-O 18. g3 b6 19. Bh3 Kb7 20. Re1 h5 21. Qf3...

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              Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

              Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
              Im sure it is. - but GM Cheparinov was recently a 2700 GM and he didnt see it coming. I am not a GM but in the position what is White playing for (the plan? heck any plan will do? but what is it? White's position even without viewing the tactics looks bankrupt.
              I agree with Hans. White's position looks pretty disgusting anyway, at least to me.

              As for how a GM could miss some move while much lesser players found it, consider that the GM doesn't have the luxury of knowing something is there to be found. It is 100x easier to find a winning continuation out of book when you know it is "Black to play and win" than it is playing the game without that knowledge.
              "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

                Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                As for how a GM could miss some move while much lesser players found it, consider that the GM doesn't have the luxury of knowing something is there to be found. It is 100x easier to find a winning continuation out of book when you know it is "Black to play and win" than it is playing the game without that knowledge.
                + OTB players tend to blunder (a move or a plan), though the probability goes to zero with increased rating.

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                  Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

                  I guess that's why Cheparinov is "only" 2657 while his boss is 2800+.

                  Chess is a humbling game, and some of us have a lot to be humble about.

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                    Re: For French Defence Fans Only: See Susan Polgar's Blog

                    Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                    As for how a GM could miss some move while much lesser players found it, consider that the GM doesn't have the luxury of knowing something is there to be found. It is 100x easier to find a winning continuation out of book when you know it is "Black to play and win" than it is playing the game without that knowledge.
                    Very good point, Tom. Imagine if we all played each move with the idea of finding a "play and win in X plies" kind of move, and we didn't stop thinking and actually make a move until we were absolutely convinced such a move didn't exist for the current position. Maybe this is why some players get into constant time trouble?

                    Do you think over-studying of puzzles can lead to this kind of syndrome? Perhaps it's a fine line between studying them enough to recognize tactics and studying them too much.
                    Only the rushing is heard...
                    Onward flies the bird.

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