There was a heated disussion last night over a blitz rule.
Player A has one second left on his clock. Player B makes his move and presses his clock. Player A picks up his Q, and is about to play Qe7 mate when Player B points out that his flag is down. Player B claims a win on time. Player A says he has the right to complete his move before Player B can make the claim.
Here are some FIDE rules:
Article 5: The completion of the game
5.1
a.
The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent’s king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was a legal move.
Article 6: The chess clock
6.2
a.
When using a chess clock, each player must make a minimum number of moves or all moves in an allotted period of time and/or may be allocated an additional amount of time with each move. All these must be specified in advance.
6.3
Immediately after a flag falls, the requirements of article 6.2 a. must be checked.
What does "make" mean in 6.2a? Does it mean "complete"? If so - player B was right in claiming a move on time since "all moves" were not "made" in "an allotted period of time".
Now what about the following?
6.7
a.
During the game each player, having made his move on the chessboard, shall stop his own clock and start his opponent’s clock. A player must always be allowed to stop his clock. His move is not considered to have been completed until he has done so, unless the move that was made ends the game.
This rule states that a move is not "competed" until the player has punched his clock. However - the move in my example was a mating move (but not completed at the flag claim), so the clock did not need to be pressed.
Now - if player A is right (he has the right to complete his mating move before player B can claim a win on time), these situations can arise:
1) Player A does not see the mate and makes ("completes") another move, pressing his clock. Player B claims a win on time with no argument.
2) If the above statement is correct (the right to complete a move), this means that you cannot claim a win on time with your opponent's clock running - he has the right to complete his move.
3) If (2) is correct, this situation could arise: player A picks up a piece and sees that his flag is down. He holds the piece in his hand and refuses to move it. Player B can never claim a win on time, since Player A refuses to move.
A quick survey of about 10 players showed that 8 would have given the win to player B (win on time); the other 2 would have given the win to player A (checkmate). (I was one of the 8).
What do others think?
Player A has one second left on his clock. Player B makes his move and presses his clock. Player A picks up his Q, and is about to play Qe7 mate when Player B points out that his flag is down. Player B claims a win on time. Player A says he has the right to complete his move before Player B can make the claim.
Here are some FIDE rules:
Article 5: The completion of the game
5.1
a.
The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent’s king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was a legal move.
Article 6: The chess clock
6.2
a.
When using a chess clock, each player must make a minimum number of moves or all moves in an allotted period of time and/or may be allocated an additional amount of time with each move. All these must be specified in advance.
6.3
Immediately after a flag falls, the requirements of article 6.2 a. must be checked.
What does "make" mean in 6.2a? Does it mean "complete"? If so - player B was right in claiming a move on time since "all moves" were not "made" in "an allotted period of time".
Now what about the following?
6.7
a.
During the game each player, having made his move on the chessboard, shall stop his own clock and start his opponent’s clock. A player must always be allowed to stop his clock. His move is not considered to have been completed until he has done so, unless the move that was made ends the game.
This rule states that a move is not "competed" until the player has punched his clock. However - the move in my example was a mating move (but not completed at the flag claim), so the clock did not need to be pressed.
Now - if player A is right (he has the right to complete his mating move before player B can claim a win on time), these situations can arise:
1) Player A does not see the mate and makes ("completes") another move, pressing his clock. Player B claims a win on time with no argument.
2) If the above statement is correct (the right to complete a move), this means that you cannot claim a win on time with your opponent's clock running - he has the right to complete his move.
3) If (2) is correct, this situation could arise: player A picks up a piece and sees that his flag is down. He holds the piece in his hand and refuses to move it. Player B can never claim a win on time, since Player A refuses to move.
A quick survey of about 10 players showed that 8 would have given the win to player B (win on time); the other 2 would have given the win to player A (checkmate). (I was one of the 8).
What do others think?
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