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  • Jean Sasseville
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    Re: Canada will endorse Karpov?

    Here are the main reasons I prefer Karpov (and my prediction).

    1) As a chess celebrity, Karpov will improve FIDE’s chances of attracting quality global sponsors. For example, his advisory board is composed of top-notch CEO. These are the type of individuals who can call other CEO and get their attention.
    http://www.karpov2010.org/advisory-board/

    2) He is big believer in the benefits of chess for children.
    • opened at least 15 Karpov chess schools around the world
    • in the early 1990s, he initiated the World Youth Chess Championship


    3) He is a good person, for example he is a UNICEF ambassador.
    http://www.unicef.org/ceecis/reallives_1345.html

    4) He understands the need of the elite.
    • less changes in formats for World Championships
    • professionalization of chess


    In 2006, Bessel Kok was a great candidate but lost. He attracted only Western Europe and part of Americas. A candidate with deep pockets gets more votes in other regions. I am afraid this will happen again.

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  • Frank Dixon
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    I agree that Karpov is the stronger of the two candidates. I think the really important points in this thread, so far, have been made by GMC / IA / FM Jonathan Berry, who wrote that since both Karpov and Ilyumzhinov are Russian, a FIDE Presidential election between countrymen may be impossible from a technical standpoint. For this reason, is Karpov disqualified from running against a Russian incumbent!? That is the question I want answered.

    Karpov's ethical issues may be ancient and relatively minor compared to Ilyumzhinov's, but he does face some lingering questions. Start with the 1984-85 World Championship match meltdown, with the match being cancelled without result after 48 games, after Karpov had lost games 47 and 48 to Kasparov. Karpov had lost weight and looked exhausted after five months of play, but he needed just one more win to claim the match. In Kasparov's book "Ultimate Challenge", he quotes the recently-deceased FIDE President Florencio Campomanes, speaking at the press conference which cancelled the match, saying to Karpov (and this was apparently caught on Soviet TV): "I told them what you told me to tell them." The world condemned Campomanes as pro-Karpov, and the whole situation smelled rancidly of a deal with Karpov, who got a sweetheart arrangement with a new match seven months later and a rematch clause if he lost. Two can keep a secret if one is dead, as the Mafia chiefs say, and the secret here is between Campomanes and Karpov. GM Spassky put it best with his epic comment: "Karpo-Manes."

    Then Karpov has never really answered allegations from Kasparov that one of Kasparov's coaches in the 1986 rematch, GM Vladimirov, was selling match secrets on opening preparation and choice to Karpov's camp. Kasparov had a strong lead which suddenly vanished. He did recover to win the match. This episode is also detailed in Kasparov's book. The fact that Kasparov and Karpov were buddy-buddy in New York recently, fundraising for Karpov's campaign, may mean that this stuff is old news between them, but Karpov, if he becomes FIDE President, will be in a position to bury these scandals further and deeper, to the dismay of the world's chess historians.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
    Nevermind that an organizer does the decent thing and holds a Canadian Closed when no one else would. For some reason, decency doesn't factor into that for the Almighty Hebert!
    How would you like spending a week playing in a poker tournament of mind numbing Texas Holdum, winning the event and being given a couple of hundred bucks. The expenses were higher than we thought and sponsors didn't materialize.

    On the bright side, you did win the event. No doubt about that, you did win. Never mind the chump change you won probably didn't cover your costs but you are the winner of the great Texas Hodlum touranament. We know it was great because we ran it when nobody else would because it was a no win situation.

    Oh yeah, you get to represent us in Siberia and we'll get you there 20 minutes before your tournament starts.

    You also get to play on the Olympic team. Never mind when big time international organizers are looking for people to invite for events they aren't looking for players from teams that finished down the track. They prefer players from the top teams.

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  • Paul Bonham
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    Re: Karpov's Platform

    Originally posted by Michael Yip View Post
    "Chess is in crisis today because FIDE has become disconnected from its foundations: the federations and the players. Mr Karpov believes that support for our new direction must come from below, to benefit the many, not from above to benefit the few."

    How can our Elitist Champion support Karpov? Hebert holds the complete opposite view if you substitute FIDE with CFC, as he has expressed numerous times on this board.

    Maybe Hebert's left hand doesn't know what his right hand is doing?

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  • Paul Bonham
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    Karpov may not be an "amazing" candidate but he is at least a decent one. That is be good enough to vote against a corrupt one. Give decency a chance.
    Well, well, well, what do we have here? "Give decency a chance"....

    But when it comes to Canadian chess organizers, only those passing Hebert's "amazing" litmus test are worthy!

    Nevermind that an organizer does the decent thing and holds a Canadian Closed when no one else would. For some reason, decency doesn't factor into that for the Almighty Hebert! No, it has to be AMAZING! With signs, and demo boards, and announcers.

    With your post here, Jean, you prove yourself to be totally inconsistent and not worth listening to. Now do the DECENT thing and just go away and let people who know what they're doing continue to do so.

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  • Jonathan Berry
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    Last time I looked, a federation could nominate only one person for President. From that point of view, the Karpov vs. Ilyumzhinov choice is irrelevant for every country except Russia. In theory. Let me state that again. Under FIDE rules as I understand them, there can be no election where Karpov runs against Ilyumzhinov for President, because both are from Russia.

    We're used to seeing FIDE make up rules as they go along. That's almost the job description of the FIDE President, in recent years. More such entertainment is certain in conjunction with this election. Therefore one can't blame the Karpov team for courting our support in its struggle against Ilyumzhinov's team. Something is bound to happen.

    An additional ironic point is that the last four years has been Ilyumzhinov's best term, FIDE's best four years under Ilyumzhinov. We've had global economic malaise, yet the hit to the non-essential-service world of chess has been relatively minor. I'm not a fan of Ilyumzhinov, but I do like a juicy irony. The ironic point is that when FIDE was really really reeking, the FIDE member nations had the opportunity to vote for alternatives to Ilyumzhinov but didn't, and those alternative candidates got themselves co-opted into the bosom of Ilyumzhinov's team. In 2006, the alternative candidate Bessel Kok was so creditable that when he lost it seemed unlikely that anybody could ever beat Ilyumzhinov. A last (for now) irony is that the Rooskies may be doing the dirty work for the Western World, if they keep Ilyumzhinov out of the upcoming FIDE presidential election. Stay tuned for more fun.

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  • Michael Yip
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    Re: Karpov's Platform

    I read the platform-reads like superficial PR fluff

    Some parts
    Ending the crisis with a return to FIDE’s roots
    "Chess is in crisis today because FIDE has become disconnected from its foundations: the federations and the players. Mr Karpov believes that support for our new direction must come from below, to benefit the many, not from above to benefit the few."
    So what exactly is the 'crisis'?
    Some things that might be
    -ratings inflation(they seem to be addressing it. How well I don't know)
    -title devaluation(not sure if its a crisis. I'm watching IM norm tournaments now where the required IMs are less than 2300. It's another pet peeve of mine-more titles for XYZ country the better. But is it really? It's just the illusion of achievement)
    -Titles that start with a 'W'(Don't get me started)
    -shrinking length of world championship matches(24-20-16-12 now).
    -the administration of the world championship cycle(perhaps)

    Turn chess into a modern, professional sport
    "Chess has great potential as a commercially viable sport. It has lagged in this development because the current FIDE administration has harmed the reputation of the sport and shown no interest or aptitude for modernization and professionalization. Mr Karpov believes chess requires leadership that understands why professionalization is essential and how to build a team to
    achieve it."
    So what exactly is is 'vision'? Pension plans? minimum wage? a players union?

    The ability to unite and mobilize the community
    "Chess has limitless potential and great resources among its millions of supporters and players around the world. Mr Karpov has the unique capacity to attract and lead these human resources for the benefit of chess federations and players throughout the world."
    What ability is that?
    -He has more name recognition
    -He did the Karpov school(what happened to that?)
    -He's friends with Kasparov and Carlsen and can get them to his fund raiser

    KASPAROV has a better shot at this than Karpov.

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  • Peter Bokhout
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    Karpov may not be an "amazing" candidate but he is at least a decent one. That is be good enough to vote against a corrupt one. Give decency a chance.
    I quite agree with our Canadian champion! Anatoly Karpov looks good precisely because he has not become involved in chess federation issues, which in the last few years have only served to weaken FIDE. With Anand remaining as World Champion and a very decent Magnus Carlsen on the horizon, Karpov would be in very good company.

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  • Gordon Ritchie
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    If only Karpov could add Freeman to his slate as treasurer it would make the choice easier.

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  • Egidijus Zeromskis
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    Strange activities are happening in the Russian Chess Federation building (the same where Karpov was nominated) - a new security crew, the Bakh's cabinet is sealed.

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  • Jordan S. Berson
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    Seeing that Karpov has won multiple World Championships, I think he has way more experience to offer the chess world than Ilyumzhinov.

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  • David Cohen
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    On the other hand, Ilyumzinov's ticket inlcudes the incorruptible Nigel Freeman as Treasurer.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Originally posted by Alex Ferreira View Post
    Hi,

    Why should Canada endorse Karpov?

    It seems everyone hates Ilyumzhinov because okay... he's extremely corrupt and has screwed up some things.
    Someone please spell out why Karpov is an amazing candidate for FIDE presidency.
    Karpov may not be an "amazing" candidate but he is at least a decent one. That is be good enough to vote against a corrupt one. Give decency a chance.

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  • Hal Bond
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    Re: Job description

    Hey Michael;

    Good question! I spent some time this morning in the FIDE Handbook and I could only find a reference to the Presidential Board, pasted below. In more general terms, the President is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of the organization of course. Ilumzhinov has been less visible to the delegates than Campo was. The meetings I have attended are chaired by Deputy President Makropolous, sometimes in absence of the Prez. I can't say for sure how active Kirsan is regarding the FIDE roster of events and finding organizers, sponsors, etc. He did say in a recent interview that this gig was a hobby. His Presidential Board contains some hard working people. Anyway, from the handbook:

    Chapter 07 - The Presidential Board
    7.1. The Presidential Board is the managing organization of FIDE and is in charge with the day-to-day management of FIDE. It resolves on all matters not otherwise and explicitly reserved to another body by those Statutes. The Presidential Board exercises the rights of the General Assembly and the Executive Board between meetings of the General Assembly and the Executive Board respectively. Such powers include taking decisions which require a 3/4 majority vote pursuant to Standing Order to 1.2. Any rights so exercised have no continuing effect beyond the following General Assembly unless so authorized by the requisite majority vote.
    However, the Presidential Board cannot take decisions on the following:

    election of officials,
    changes in Statutes,
    Rules Commission matters,
    Qualification Commission matters,
    Budget reviews.

    7.2. (GA `96) The Presidential Board consists of the President, the Honorary President, the Deputy President, the General Secretary, the Treasurer, the Vice Presidents, the four Continental Presidents, World Champion, Women`s World Champion and the Honorary Vice-Presidents.
    Honorary Vice Presidents are ex officio members of the Presidential Board without vote. The Auditor shall be invited to all the Presidential Board meetings. The Auditor should not be a member of the Presidential Board when he is elected by the General Assembly.

    In the event of any vacancy occurring on the Presidential Board, it shall be filled from within the Board by the Board, except in the case of a Continental Presidency vacancy which shall be referred for election by the particular continent, provided that the membership of the Presidential Board does not drop below the statutory requirements.

    A Steering Committee consisting of the President, Deputy President, First Vice President, General Secretary and Treasurer can convene as necessary to discuss urgent and developing issues. All actions taken by the Steering Committee must be ratified by the Presidential Board.
    7.3. The Presidential Board assembles at least once every three months. In addition the President may at any time convene the Presidential Board for consultation in person, by telefax or teleconference.

    7.4. The Agenda of the meetings of the Presidential Board, as wel as the relevant documents, shall reach members at least one week before the meeting (or be published on the official website of FIDE). Any other item will be banned from discussion, except in an emergency situation, where evidence must be clearly established and is approved by a vote of two thirds of those members present.
    Commissions’ reports shall be received one month before the Presidential Board.
    All decisions shall be given an alpha-numeric designation.

    The final minutes shall be distributed no later than one month after a meeting is closed.

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  • Egidijus Zeromskis
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    Originally posted by Alex Ferreira View Post
    What's Karpov's platform?
    Read yourself :D
    http://www.karpov2010.org/campaign-mission-statement/

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