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Kevin Spraggett takes one entire month to slam our new CFC president...
Re: Kevin Spraggett takes one entire month to slam our new CFC president...
This would be the same Kevin Spraggett that was going to play in the 2003 Canadian Open, but suddenly withdrew at the last minute? Where it was then explained that he allowed his name to be "lent" to the event to attract participants, and he never intended to participate?
Re: Kevin Spraggett takes one entire month to slam our new CFC president...
Kevin was also Canadian Open co-champion in 2000.
He tied for first in the 2002 Closed with Pascal Charbonneau. He lost the playoff.
He tied for first in the 2001 Closed with Alexandre Lesiege. They drew the two rapid playoff games, and Lesiege won the subsequent best-of-four playoff.
He won the Closed outright in 1996, 1994, 1989, and 1984.
Crosstables can be constructed from CanBase (in ChessBase) - assuming that all the games from a Closed are included.
Closed is different. The CFC (Can't Find Crosstables) website has stuff going back to 1996 which shows him as outright winner once and twice tied with the winner(s).
Can somebody explain to me why the CFC website does NOT have crosstables and results for CO's and CC's and CJ's going back, ummm, like forever?? Those crosstables should be part of the main database. The current database, such as it is, maintained on a haphazard basis by whomever can be plucked off the street, is one of the CFC's biggest assets.
I really think the CFC should pay more attention to both the integrity of its database (and its rating system) than the look-and-feel of its website, which seems to be a recurring proposal for spending $$$.
Steve
Hi Steve,
In 2007, the crosstable database became too large to upload to website. (Remember we are still using some very old programs). Vince had to chop the database into sections to upload files. All the crosstables are still there!
An RFP for a new website is in the works. In addition to the "look and feel" stuff, we won't neglect the integrity of the database. We should be able to announce something soon. :)
So, you may be right that the Trillium source of funds for an Ontario CO should be tested ( I don't know if the 2010 CO organizers considered it, and rejected it - I know they had no Trillium money ). Any application would likely have to be in association with the OCA, to establish the Ontario connection.
But from experience in Ontario to date, it seems that goverment/Trilliuim funds for the expenses of an Ontario CO are not likely available, and if they are theoretically, it will be a very hard sell for the organizer.
Bob
Fundraising for chess is tough. In Windsor, even with a paid professional fundraiser, we had a very difficult time raising money, or even getting anyone's attention.
Just after CYCC, Windsor hosted Dragon Boat races, there were 200 TEAMS of paddlers, not to mention family and supporters. The following weekend, there was a Jehovah's Witness convention, 4000 delegates. Chess numbers are puny in comparison, and even people with whom I have a good relationship, like my bank, for example, weren't interested in giving their money in support of CYCC.
Trillium makes grants to registered charities and non-profits; Trillium granting priorities are (from their website):
Enhanced success for students and learners
Healthier and more physically active Ontarians
Enhanced employment and economic potential for workers and their families
More effective volunteers and more people engaged in their communities
I suspect an adult chess tournament would be a hard sell.
Can somebody explain to me why the CFC website does NOT have crosstables and results for CO's and CC's and CJ's going back, ummm, like forever?? Those crosstables should be part of the main database.
Resources, presumably. I too was frustrated by the lack of availability of historical crosstables, so I assembled my own. They can be seen on the British Columbia Chess History website. Lists of winners and other information can be found in several locations, e.g., the history section of David Cohen's Canadian Chess site, or Jonathan Berry's tabulation of Canadian Open results - http://members.shaw.ca/berry5868/canop.htm.
In 2007, the crosstable database became too large to upload to website. (Remember we are still using some very old programs). Vince had to chop the database into sections to upload files. All the crosstables are still there!
An RFP for a new website is in the works. In addition to the "look and feel" stuff, we won't neglect the integrity of the database. We should be able to announce something soon. :)
Hi Bob:
I remember well, since I was one of the ones with lots of questions at the time I'm quite serious about what I said though. I think the database is an extremely important part of the CFC's existence. From a member standpoint, I like being able to bring up the crosstable of some Swiss from x-ish years ago and remember the face/name of a given player. That's fine for the casual player.
But why aren't the crosstables of the major Canadian events for the past 100 years up there on the website? Those are of interest to every player. Why aren't there profiles of significant Canadian players there? I posted in this thread initially being critical of KS. I haven't changed my mind on what he posted in his blog. But I also wanted to know how many times he won the Canadian Open. I can't get that from the CFC site. Apparently (and I'm assuming this included tied scores) he finished first 8 times. That's incredible.
But I would never know that from the CFC site. Annoying as he is (my membership in the KS fan club may be jeopardy here) he *is* one of the most significant Canadian chess-players in Canadian history. There should be profiles of him, Yanofsky, Suttles, and anybody else that we can think of (within reason) on the CFC site.
Re: Kevin Spraggett takes one entire month to slam our new CFC president...
Hi Steve:
I agree. The fact that others may have assembled some of this information, given the CFC vacuum, does not relieve CFC of doing it on the CFC Website, as the national chess organization.
Recognize, however, that our current contract with EKG will not allow Gerry the time needed to do this kind of information gathering and posting. CFC will likely be dependent on some volunteer coming forward to do this as a temporary website updater.
Resources, presumably. I too was frustrated by the lack of availability of historical crosstables, so I assembled my own. They can be seen on the British Columbia Chess History website. Lists of winners and other information can be found in several locations, e.g., the history section of David Cohen's Canadian Chess site, or Jonathan Berry's tabulation of Canadian Open results - http://members.shaw.ca/berry5868/canop.htm.
Hi Stephen:
I will look at your links once I have a faster internet connection (currently on vacation in the boonies). But I'm starting to think that maybe one of the positions that should be created within the CFC--since they seem to like doing that these days--is that of Historian. I know that there are a lot of people out there with "bits" of information. There's actually two sides to this. One is the crosstables and directly relevant text data; the other is player profiles and general history/overview.
I agree. The fact that others may have assembled some of this information, given the CFC vacuum, does not relieve CFC of doing it on the CFC Website, as the national chess organization.
Recognize, however, that our current contract with EKG will not allow Gerry the time needed to do this kind of information gathering and posting. CFC will likely be dependent on some volunteer coming forward to do this as a temporary website updater.
Re: Kevin Spraggett takes one entire month to slam our new CFC president...
Hi Steve:
The reality is that the CFC is a volunteer organization - Executive Committee, Non-executive officers, Governors, committee members, etc. We just are now, for the first time in 5 years, managing to balance our books, with the one paid position via EKG ( which is only part-time - 3 days per week ). So it seems that " extra " things only get done if there are volunteers.
But from experience in Ontario to date, it seems that goverment/Trilliuim funds for the expenses of an Ontario CO are not likely available, and if they are theoretically, it will be a very hard sell for the organizer.
Bob
it never hurts to try...trying to get a couple of grand from the trillium is different than $120,000. when is the deadline for submissions? i know in the past it has been the AGM, but when is the 2011 CO in danger of not being held?
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I'm quite serious about what I said though. I think the database is an extremely important part of the CFC's existence. From a member standpoint, I like being able to bring up the crosstable of some Swiss from x-ish years ago and remember the face/name of a given player. That's fine for the casual player.
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