Crushing the Caro Kann

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  • #1

    Crushing the Caro Kann

    The Caro Kann game which I'd mentioned some time ago finally ended. My opponent uses the Caro Kann extensively so I was surprised when I got a chance to play such a sacrifice. As I played the game in an event with the team to which I belong, The Gambiteers Guild, this is a fitting sacrificial line.

    The Opening books have many examples of lines which can be bust in the opening. I always look for this sort of thing simply because it's the part of the game where an opponent is vulnerable and often playing memorized theory. Note at the end the King Bishop and King Rook have not moved from their original square. The game should cut and paste to your Fritz.

    [Event "Champions League 2010 C Group 6"]
    [Site "ICCF"]
    [Date "2010.01.25"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Ruben, Gary"]
    [Black "Fister, Bernard"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "B17"]
    [WhiteElo "2436"]
    [BlackElo "2303"]
    [PlyCount "63"]
    [EventDate "2010.??.??"]
    [WhiteTeam "The Gambiteers Guild"]
    [BlackTeam "Les Chevaliers"]

    1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Ng5 Ngf6 6. Bd3 h6 $2 7. Ne6 $1
    Qa5+ 8. Bd2 Qb6 9. Nf3 fxe6 10. Bg6+ Kd8 11. O-O Qxb2 12. c4 Qb6 13. Re1 Qc7
    14. Qc2 Ne8 15. Rad1 b6 16. Re2 Rb8 17. Qc1 {This should end Black's hopes.}
    Qb7 {Probably black's toughest defence.} 18. Bf4 Nc7 19. Bxc7+ Qxc7 20. Ne5 Ba6
    21. Qa3 Qb7 22. Be4 Nxe5 23. dxe5+ Kc7 24. Red2 Rc8 25. Rd7+ Kb8 26. Rxb7+ Bxb7
    27. Rd7 h5 28. c5 g5 29. cxb6 axb6 30. Qb4 Rc7 31. Rd8+ Rc8 32. Qxb6 1-0
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM
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  • #2
    Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    I'm working on a game which completely busts a known line of the Caro-Kann after black's move 6...
    [White "Ruben, Gary"]
    [Black "Fister, Bernard"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Ng5 Ngf6 6. Bd3 h6 7. Ne6
    White's score from this position is something in the 75% range, and your entire game is replicated up to at least move 12. How is this a "known line" other than to say it's "known" to be atrocious for black?

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    • #3
      Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

      Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
      White's score from this position is something in the 75% range, and your entire game is replicated up to at least move 12.
      What do you call the other 25%. Bad Beats?

      When a player exploits a bad line in an opening, replicating moves is exactly what's happening. Then the idea is to demonstrate his win.

      The idea is to come out of the opening with a superior game so the middle game is easy and there is no endgame.
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #4
        Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
        What do you call the other 25%. Bad Beats?
        Variance. Blunders. Whatever.

        When a player exploits a bad line in an opening, replicating moves is exactly what's happening. Then the idea is to demonstrate his win.
        No doubt. But beating a known crappy line is hardly something worth a post, plus a followup post months later to show "hey you know that line that sucks? I beat it."

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        • #5
          Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

          This line's bad, I'm surprised a 2300 correspondence player would fall into such a well known trap if he plays the caro-kann extensively.
          Shameless self-promotion on display here
          http://www.youtube.com/user/Barkyducky?feature=mhee

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          • #6
            Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

            Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
            No doubt. But beating a known crappy line is hardly something worth a post, plus a followup post months later to show "hey you know that line that sucks? I beat it."
            Probably posting any win against the Caro Kann is a win against an opening which sucks.

            By your criteria, no won game is really worthy of posting. Wins are the result of an error. Why would anyone want to post a game which was won against an error?

            In any case, your comments are more entertaining than the game and probably ensures more players than normal will play out the game. If even one or two start looking into their opening theory critically and improve their play as a result, my posting will have been worthwhile.

            This is, after all, a chess message board and what I posted is most certainly chess. Why don't you post some chess? Games you played, analysis of games or that sort of thing?
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #7
              Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

              Originally posted by Bindi Cheng View Post
              This line's bad, I'm surprised a 2300 correspondence player would fall into such a well known trap if he plays the caro-kann extensively.
              Beats me why, Bindi. If chess players didn't fall into opening traps there wouldn't be so many chess minatures around. I have books of chess minatures.

              As an example, do you recall the game Short lost here in Canada with the King's Gambit a couple of years ago? He's rated a lot higher than 2300. I noticed that one got posted.
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • #8
                Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                It's an interesting line. Perhaps 9. Nxf8 is a simpler route to advantage for white. In the game, 12. ... Qa3 was another option for black.

                Hou Yifan (2298) - Ushenina,A (2397) [B17]
                37th Olympiad w Turin ITA (4), 24.05.2006

                1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Ng5 Ngf6 6.Bd3 h6 7.Ne6 Qa5+ 8.Bd2 Qb6 9.Nf3 fxe6 10.Bg6+ Kd8 11.0-0 Qxb2 12.c4 Qa3 13.Bf4 Ne8 14.Ne5 Nd6 15.c5 Nxe5 16.dxe5 Qxc5 17.exd6 exd6 18.Rc1 Qd5 19.Qe2 e5 20.Bg3 Qe6 21.Qd3 d5 22.Rfe1 Bd6 23.Re3 Kc7 24.Rce1 e4 25.Bxe4 Bxg3 26.Rxg3 g5 27.Rge3 Rf8 28.Bf3 Qd6 29.Re7+ Bd7 30.Bh5 Rad8 31.Qh7 Kb8 32.g3 Rh8 33.Qg7 Rhg8 34.Qh7 Rh8 35.Qg7 Rhg8 36.Qb2 Rgf8 37.Rh7 Bc8 38.Bg4 Qf6 39.Qxf6 Rxf6 40.Bxc8 Kxc8 41.Ree7 Rdf8 42.Rc7+ Kb8 43.Rxb7+ Kc8 44.Rxa7 Kb8 45.Rab7+ Ka8 46.f4 gxf4 47.g4 f3 48.Ra7+ Kb8 49.Rhb7+ Kc8 50.Re7 f2+ 51.Kf1 Kb8 52.a4 Re8 53.Rab7+ Ka8 54.Ra7+ Kb8 55.Rab7+ Ka8 56.Ra7+ Kb8 ½-½


                Tzermiadianos,A (2465) - Ovezov,A (2360) [B17]
                Elista ol (Men) Elista (3), 01.10.1998

                1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Ng5 Ngf6 6.Bd3 h6 7.Ne6 Qa5+ 8.Bd2 Qb6 9.Nxf8 Nxf8 10.Nf3 Qxb2 11.0-0 Ne6 12.Rb1 Qxa2 13.c4 c5 14.d5 Ng5 15.Nxg5 hxg5 16.Bxg5 Qa6 17.Qf3 Bd7 18.Rfe1 Kf8 19.Qe3 Re8 20.Qxc5 b6 21.Qc7 Qa3 22.Rbd1 Rc8 23.Qg3 Qc5 24.Ra1 b5 25.Be3 Qb4 26.cxb5 Nxd5 27.Reb1 Qc3 28.Bxa7 Rh6 29.Bf1 Rg6 30.Qxc3 Nxc3 31.Rb2 Rd8 32.b6 Na4 33.Rxa4 1-0

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                • #9
                  Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                  Ya, but Short's famous though Gary, haha
                  Shameless self-promotion on display here
                  http://www.youtube.com/user/Barkyducky?feature=mhee

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                  • #10
                    Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                    Originally posted by Bindi Cheng View Post
                    Ya, but Short's famous though Gary, haha
                    Yeah, well, I'm old and maybe players expect me to drop like simul fodder. :)

                    Bindi, I'd like to congratulate you on winning the Thanksgiving Open against such a strong field. Keep up the good play!
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • #11
                      Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                      Originally posted by Kirk Gornall View Post
                      It's an interesting line. Perhaps 9. Nxf8 is a simpler route to advantage for white. In the game, 12. ... Qa3 was another option for black.

                      Hou Yifan (2298) - Ushenina,A (2397) [B17]
                      37th Olympiad w Turin ITA (4), 24.05.2006

                      1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Ng5 Ngf6 6.Bd3 h6 7.Ne6 Qa5+ 8.Bd2 Qb6 9.Nf3 fxe6 10.Bg6+ Kd8 11.0-0 Qxb2 12.c4 Qa3 13.Bf4 Ne8 14.Ne5 Nd6 15.c5 Nxe5 16.dxe5 Qxc5 17.exd6 exd6 18.Rc1 Qd5 19.Qe2 e5 20.Bg3 Qe6 21.Qd3 d5 22.Rfe1 Bd6 23.Re3 Kc7 24.Rce1 e4 25.Bxe4 Bxg3 26.Rxg3 g5 27.Rge3 Rf8 28.Bf3 Qd6 29.Re7+ Bd7 30.Bh5 Rad8 31.Qh7 Kb8 32.g3 Rh8 33.Qg7 Rhg8 34.Qh7 Rh8 35.Qg7 Rhg8 36.Qb2 Rgf8 37.Rh7 Bc8 38.Bg4 Qf6 39.Qxf6 Rxf6 40.Bxc8 Kxc8 41.Ree7 Rdf8 42.Rc7+ Kb8 43.Rxb7+ Kc8 44.Rxa7 Kb8 45.Rab7+ Ka8 46.f4 gxf4 47.g4 f3 48.Ra7+ Kb8 49.Rhb7+ Kc8 50.Re7 f2+ 51.Kf1 Kb8 52.a4 Re8 53.Rab7+ Ka8 54.Ra7+ Kb8 55.Rab7+ Ka8 56.Ra7+ Kb8 ½-½
                      I was looking at 9. Nxf8 but it didn't seem to be in the spirit of the position. Playing the sacrifice is kind of like looking for an under promotion of a pawn for something other than a queen or trying to find a nice discovered check to seal the deal.

                      The main difference is at move 12. ... Qa3. I thought probably 13. Re1 where he has several replies. Possibly the text, 13. Bf4 might be a bit early.

                      With correspondence chess I like to unbalance the position, when I can, and work with the compensation. Computers don't always understand the compensation aspect.
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                      • #12
                        Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                        Gary,

                        You should change the headline to something more appropriate, like "Crushing a player who blunders in the Caro Kann". You didn't beat a line that any self-respecting GM would play, so your title is quite misleading.

                        Sincerely, Jordan
                        No matter how big and bad you are, when a two-year-old hands you a toy phone, you answer it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                          By your criteria, no won game is really worthy of posting. Wins are the result of an error. Why would anyone want to post a game which was won against an error?
                          If you were to post a game that you won where a normal, frequently played line was involved that has a relatively standard score indicating that both sides have chances, and you showed a new concept, theme, or idea, I'd love to see it. Post one where you show that something that was previously thought *not* to be an error actually *is* an error. That is certainly interesting.

                          Posting a game where your opponent plays a known error and you show in the accepted book response that it is still an error is a waste of time since you have shown nothing new or interesting.

                          As an aside, posting a game where a 2300 rated player essays this opening isn't a great advertisement for the strength of correspondence players.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                            Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
                            Posting a game where your opponent plays a known error and you show in the accepted book response that it is still an error is a waste of time since you have shown nothing new or interesting.
                            YOU told me whites score in the position is something like 75%. If you can do math that leaves a 25% margin for black to win.

                            I pointedly asked you if that 25% was bad beats. You denied that and put it down to blunders and variance, whatever variance happens to be. YOU denied it was bad beats. That makes it a playable line rather than a sure thing for white.

                            Why is it you have not taken up my invitation to post one of your games? Got nothing?
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                            • #15
                              Re: Crushing the Caro Kann

                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              I pointedly asked you if that 25% was bad beats. You denied that and put it down to blunders and variance, whatever variance happens to be. YOU denied it was bad beats. That makes it a playable line rather than a sure thing for white.
                              No line is 100% for either side, for god's sake. If I play the white side of this against Kramnik or Topalov OTB, I probably lose unless I have specifically studied it in advance and know the winning method. The objective truth of this line is that it is a losing line for black. That was known before your game, and your game does nothing to change that assessment, and the objective truth of a position is all that is really the point when you are in study mode. Does the line have some potential tricks for white to win? Of course. Does your game provide any new insight on how to avoid them? No.

                              Why is it you have not taken up my invitation to post one of your games? Got nothing?
                              To be honest, no. I haven't played anything longer than a 3 minute game in over a year, and certainly nothing that I thought would provide any new knowledge to the readers of this board. So why would I post one?

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