TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

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  • #16
    Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

    I'll correct you: It is only 1 point [out of 3] in ONLY their first event. A player can score 0 in their next 6 games and still have a FIDE rating, as long as it is above the rating floor of 1200.

    In Toronto there are over 16 players with a FIDE rating under 2000, so hopefully three of those will play in the Reserves.

    We lose some players who can't play Sundays, but hopefully gain some who couldn't play on Tuesdays, perhaps because its tough playing after a day of work.

    Originally posted by Vladimir Birarov View Post

    Originally Posted by Erik Malmsten
    To get a FIDE rating need to score 1 point and play 9 games over 2 years.

    Isn't that 1 point per event?

    They might get 3 FIDE rated players. Last year, we
    only had one player over 2000... who will likely
    play the open section this year

    Yes, it is 1 point per event.

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    • #17
      Re: Re : TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

      Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
      This is none of my business which makes me ideally suited for objective comments. :)
      With this formula (prize structure and entry fees) most if not every top Toronto player will stay away. What is the point then to call "Toronto Closed" an event that is simply another open with sections ? Without the will to draw the best players, there is no point in calling it "Toronto Championship" and even less in adding the word "Closed".
      Yes Jean, in today's times the top masters don't play in all events. They have more opportunties to play other masters, such as online. Back in the 1970s and 1980s most of the Toronto masters used to play in this round-robin event for little, if any, prizes. Perhaps being called the Toronto Champion was rewarding in itself, especially in defeating other masters. Sometimes it was played 3 games a week Tues-Thurs-Sunday, but usually twice a week. Playing once a week is a much healthier pace than weekend Swisses, allowing time for rest and preparation. Round-robins also give more accurate results than Swisses and players can stragetically play for draws.

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      • #18
        Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

        Originally posted by Vladimir Birarov View Post
        ...I just spoke with Michael Barron....
        Vlad, if you find it hard attracting enough players at 10:00 AM, then you may want
        to consider 1:00 PM for the reserved section only.

        That was the time on Sunday last year that makeup games were held,
        and as far as I know (you can ask Michael also), everyone that had to,
        came out.

        P.S. We still don't know why the Willowdale club dropped this event. Any word
        from them what happened?

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        • #19
          Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

          Originally posted by Ed Zator View Post
          Vlad, if you find it hard attracting enough players at 10:00 AM, then you may want
          to consider 1:00 PM for the reserved section only.

          That was the time on Sunday last year that makeup games were held,
          and as far as I know (you can ask Michael also), everyone that had to,
          came out.

          P.S. We still don't know why the Willowdale club dropped this event. Any word
          from them what happened?
          Ed, I can not do it 1 PM. As I said, for reserved section with G/90 TC the latest start time could be 11 AM.

          I submitted my bid to GTCL, executives found it attractive since it will be FIDE rated, so they accepted the bid. It still will be possible for reserved section to play missing games in Willowdale on Tuesdays, but not on permanent basis, of course.

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          • #20
            Re : Re: Re : TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

            Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
            Yes Jean, in today's times the top masters don't play in all events. They have more opportunties to play other masters, such as online.
            Top masters play online only fast games for fun. This does not prevent them from playing in interesting events.

            Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
            Back in the 1970s and 1980s most of the Toronto masters used to play in this round-robin event for little, if any, prizes.
            We are not in the 70s or 80s anymore. Some people should take notice.

            Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
            Perhaps being called the Toronto Champion was rewarding in itself, especially in defeating other masters.
            Which is why a so called "championship" without conditions to draw at least some of the top contenders is meaningless.

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            • #21
              Re : Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

              Originally posted by Josh Guo View Post
              Why you want more money Jean? Go get sponsorships.
              This is the organizers job. You would not want players to take their job away or would you ?

              Originally posted by Josh Guo View Post
              Not a fan of players (even GMs) complaining about lack of prize.
              Why would you think that these people care about having you as a fan ? Actually some fans are better left for others.

              Originally posted by Josh Guo View Post
              As long as the organizer disclose how much out of total goes to prize (assuming reasonable), then its ok.
              It may be OK for the run of the mill weekender. Not for a "Closed Championship".

              Originally posted by Josh Guo View Post
              There not enough good organizers in Canada.
              Agreed.

              Originally posted by Josh Guo View Post
              People should not expect to make good money playing chess unless your last name is Carlsen or Anand.
              We are not talking "good money" or even "sponsorship money" here. We are talking just enough money to get some of the best players out to make a significant Toronto Closed Championship. Even within the framework of a self-financed event, no effort is being made in that direction.

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              • #22
                Re: Re : Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                Hello Jean,

                As per my knowledge, Toronto Closed was running in the same or very similar format for many years. I decided to take this event for next year and to improve (hopefully) it a bit by finding place and time which allow to make it FIDE-rated. No other changes have been made.
                I'll be happy to hear suggestions on what EF and prizes structure should it be (considering "self-financed event") in order to attract some of the best players.

                Thank you.

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                • #23
                  Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                  Hi

                  Chesstalk is a harsh place. Someone new decides to take on the job of running a tournament and immediately offers two improvements (making it FIDE rated and weekend games). Instead of getting some encouragement, one has to be kicked viciously to the ground by people who hardly play chess, on everyone's favourite Internet tabloid.
                  Press on, Vlad, I think the local community does want to play FIDE-rated events! The most important feedback comes from those who actually show up.

                  Alex F.

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                  • #24
                    Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                    Should not be a correlation between "FIDE rated" and "FIDE - level" prizes? Or "FIDE-level" organization? Is it important to have a certified arbiter in a "FIDE rated" tournaments? Can I organize Fischer Memorial, Old Canada West Championship, World Championship for under 42 and over 35, etc., etc?

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                    • #25
                      Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                      Originally posted by Alex Ferreira View Post
                      offers two improvements (making it FIDE rated and weekend games)
                      From my point of view:
                      Sundays - a big advantage.
                      FIDE rated - hmm - a reserve section, where I'll be dumped, is not Maybe it might be upgraded too if players would agree.

                      10 am - Fine with me.

                      >>> I'm in.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Re : Re: Re : TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                        Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                        Top masters play online only fast games for fun. This does not prevent them from playing in interesting events.



                        We are not in the 70s or 80s anymore. Some people should take notice.


                        Which is why a so called "championship" without conditions to draw at least some of the top contenders is meaningless.
                        Of course you are right. Just for fun online vs IMs and GMs, though?
                        Good training grounds for theoretical opening novelties, and honing your tactics,no?
                        Your disdain, esp turning down free trip to Olympics as our champ, would seem to indicate you will not defend your title, even if Hal doesn't run it.

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                        • #27
                          Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                          Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
                          >>> I'm in.
                          May I have entree fee paid? :)

                          Now, seriously ... Because of the change we're making, and because of some worrying responses here, I'd like to ask all of you, who plan to participate, to let me know ASAP. By now, these are the players who expressed their willingness to play:
                          Roman Sapozhnikov
                          Michael Barron
                          Alexandru Florea
                          Egidijus Zeromskis

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                          • #28
                            Re: Re : Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                            Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                            This is the organizers job. You would not want players to take their job away or would you ?
                            A governor is an organizer. The CFC has you listed as a Governor at Large. I think that means any Nudnik can ask you to represent him/her.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                            • #29
                              Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                              Originally posted by David McTavish View Post
                              Your disdain, esp turning down free trip to Olympics as our champ, would seem to indicate you will not defend your title, even if Hal doesn't run it.
                              In this world there is nothing free. Everything has a price in money, time or otherwise. That long trip to Siberia under difficult conditions was meant for younger people.
                              As far as I know no Canadian Closed is announced yet. Hard for me to commit. And I never said or implied that I would play or not play if Hal or anybody else organised it. I have confidence that people can improve and do better if they so wishes.

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                              • #30
                                Re : Re: Re : Re: TORONTO CLOSED CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 (FIDE Rated)

                                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                                A governor is an organizer. The CFC has you listed as a Governor at Large. I think that means any Nudnik can ask you to represent him/her.
                                A governor is basically just a voter. If Governors were organizers we would have a surplus of organizers or a severe shortage of governors.

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