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I've started this thread in relation to some meandering we did on the 2011/12 CFC Executive thread.
1) CMA organizes NA YCC. Held in Montreal last August, CMA organized the event, it was sanctioned by the CFC.
2) CMA is the official book and equipment seller at the 2010 CYCC and Canadian Open.
So, where do we go from here ?
One of my personal thoughts is that any events for junior high and above should be CFC rated. How could we move toward this in such a way that the CMA profits from this as well ?
These look like really positive developments, Fred - two parties, each with a sincere interest in promoting chess, finally working together. For the sake of the discussion, I have a question: would CMA be interested in 'merging' (for lack of a better word) the CFC and CMA rating systems (i.e. one rating system for the two organizations) and then looking after all ratings-related matters for a price acceptable to the CFC? More specifically, I'm wondering if there would be any economies of scale that would allow the CFC to retain a few thousand dollars for programs out of the $25-30k per year that the CFC presently receives in rating fees?
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One of my personal thoughts is that any events for junior high and above should be CFC rated. How could we move toward this in such a way that the CMA profits from this as well ?
At the risk of stating something that's obvious, the CMA has its own rating system, so having the CFC corner the rating market on all junior high+ events in Canada might require somewhat tough negotiations, to say the least.
For the sake of the discussion, I have a question: would CMA be interested in 'merging' (for lack of a better word) the CFC and CMA rating systems (i.e. one rating system for the two organizations) and then looking after all ratings-related matters for a price acceptable to the CFC? More specifically, I'm wondering if there would be any economies of scale that would allow the CFC to retain a few thousand dollars for programs out of the $25-30k per year that the CFC presently receives in rating fees?
This could be more palatable to the CMA than Fred's thought in the quote above, though the problem would be how to make it seem a surefire win-win proposition for both the CMA and the CFC. Larry would naturally be inclined to try to make sure that if there is any 'loser' in the long run, it wouldn't be the CMA.
The question would seem to be whether the CFC would take some sort of a gamble with a fixed price for slaying its dear cash cow (i.e. the fees generated by the rating system) and placing the rating system in the hands of another organization in order to make a deal happen that would result in changing the ED's duties, and/or possibly lowering his salary, by his no longer having to do the ratings. Can the CFC really afford to put it's rating system on the bargaining table when it apparently doesn't have many other less important chips that it can afford to bargain with in a wider deal that would possibly be safer?
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Saturday, 16th April, 2011, 06:58 PM.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
....One of my personal thoughts is that any events for junior high and above should be CFC rated. ...
I'm wondering whether you mean to have just the CFC do such rating, or you assumed both the CFC and CMA could do such ratings, each using their own rating system.
If it is the latter, then if the school boards (or else the kids or their parents) pay to have such events rated, they may not always/ever want to fork out rating fees to both the CFC and CMA. Plus, if they chose to have ratings done by just one organization, the CMA's rating fee is currently much cheaper than the CFC's. [edit: not to mention some sort of CFC membership would presumably be required] At the least the CFC could have a 'sales job' to do.
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Saturday, 16th April, 2011, 10:02 PM.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I took a drive out to Toronto today to see the CMA Ontario Chess Challenge. I was very impressed. It was inspiring to see such a large junior event with over 400 players, lots of organizers running a smooth event, and lots of parents and family members involved.
Congratulations to Larry and his team. I see lots of potential for the CFC and CMA to work cooperatively to achieve our common goals. :D
These look like really positive developments, Fred - two parties, each with a sincere interest in promoting chess, finally working together. For the sake of the discussion, I have a question: would CMA be interested in 'merging' (for lack of a better word) the CFC and CMA rating systems (i.e. one rating system for the two organizations) and then looking after all ratings-related matters for a price acceptable to the CFC? More specifically, I'm wondering if there would be any economies of scale that would allow the CFC to retain a few thousand dollars for programs out of the $25-30k per year that the CFC presently receives in rating fees?
I think it is more likely that we would move to FIDE ratings. The CMA system is even less like FIDE than the CFC system. They are essentially fun ratings.
I think at this age, players need to be exposed to something besides scholastic 30 minute tournaments.
Obviously they'd still want to play in the Chess Challenge "cycle".
I'm not sure what this has to do with your original statement. As it is, players (of any age) can play in tournaments other than 30 minute tournaments - their choice. And likewise, I don't presume that you are proposing a ban on junior high scholastic 30 minute tournaments. So, what's your thinking?
I think at this age, players need to be exposed to something besides scholastic 30 minute tournaments.
Obviously they'd still want to play in the Chess Challenge "cycle".
seeing as you are on the executive and apparently concerned about 30 minute games and their rating: perhaps you might look at the large number of scholastic tournaments that are being regular CFC rated. Dollars to donuts, these are mainly (or even all) 30 minute games and are not supposed to be regular rated.
I'm not sure what this has to do with your original statement. As it is, players (of any age) can play in tournaments other than 30 minute tournaments - their choice. And likewise, I don't presume that you are proposing a ban on junior high scholastic 30 minute tournaments. So, what's your thinking?
I think at that age they should also be strongly encouraged to integrate with regular "adult' tournaments.
I think it is more likely that we would move to FIDE ratings. The CMA system is even less like FIDE than the CFC system. They are essentially fun ratings.
Hi Fred,
I appreciate your efforts on this.
I have my vision but before we go there, could you explian to me what in your mind makes the CMA ratings "fun ratings"
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