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My daughter played last weekend at US HS nationals, she lost one game to a kid from east coast, we believe that her opponent had a "great" day. She appealed to late to the TD, the opponent left the room many times (even when it was his turn), been seen using his cell phone during the round, and made all engine moves after he was back, while staying at the board moves where way weaker. She did not call the TD because was afraid not to accuse someone who is not at wrong, but after the game, hearing that other kids notice her opponent using the cell phone during the round, she talked to main TD. It was to late to change anything. After being supervised closer the next rounds, that player did not pull out any more good results.
The following day, one of the TD's caught another player cheating using his cell phone.
They are either going to have to start collecting cell phones at the door or make it an automatic forfeit if you are seen using a cell phone during the game. This is truly getting ridiculous.
My daughter played last weekend at US HS nationals, she lost one game to a kid from east coast, we believe that her opponent had a "great" day. She appealed to late to the TD, the opponent left the room many times (even when it was his turn), been seen using his cell phone during the round, and made all engine moves after he was back, while staying at the board moves where way weaker. She did not call the TD because was afraid not to accuse someone who is not at wrong, but after the game, hearing that other kids notice her opponent using the cell phone during the round, she talked to main TD. It was to late to change anything. After being supervised closer the next rounds, that player did not pull out any more good results.
The following day, one of the TD's caught another player cheating using his cell phone.
I wonder if USCF site will mention anything.
Andrei
Which daughter Andrei? (I am under the impression you have more than one daughter - apologies if that is not the case...) I ask because I presume Alexandra is old enough to not put up with even the hint of that sort of thing, whereas a younger player might be more easily intimidated... Sadly, I would hope that any such suspicions would be properly dealt with, but I believe the default situation now for "children's tournaments" is that the children are not permitted contact with their parents and therefore would have to go directly to the arbiter - potentially a very intimidating step for some of the children.
I agree with Vlad's reply that this is getting ridiculous... I have even seen players openly arguing about various continuations in at least one of the games the players are involved in!! It is not possible for an arbiter to be everywhere - especially in a large tournament or venue.
It was Alexandra (I have a 9 years old daughter too) and was the first time that something like that happened to her. She did not believe that any opponent could do something like that, until after the game when she found out about the cell phone and looking over the game with a chess engine. During the game she just presume that the kid is way under rated and her play was not to sharp, understandable after more than 11 hours of playing in that day. She told me that she is sorry for her opponent and just a bit disappointed for herself getting weaker opponent in the rest of the tournament.
It was Alexandra (I have a 9 years old daughter too) and was the first time that something like that happened to her. She did not believe that any opponent could do something like that, until after the game when she found out about the cell phone and looking over the game with a chess engine. During the game she just presume that the kid is way under rated and her play was not to sharp, understandable after more than 11 hours of playing in that day. She told me that she is sorry for her opponent and just a bit disappointed for herself getting weaker opponent in the rest of the tournament.
Thanks for the additional information. Alexandra sounds like a classy young lady!
Unfortunately, a very small number of people (not just high schoolers!) seem to think that it would be ok to cheat in such a manner. To me, that is just astonishing and incomprehensible...
My daughter played last weekend at US HS nationals, she lost one game to a kid from east coast, we believe that her opponent had a "great" day. She appealed to late to the TD, the opponent left the room many times (even when it was his turn), been seen using his cell phone during the round, and made all engine moves after he was back, while staying at the board moves where way weaker. She did not call the TD because was afraid not to accuse someone who is not at wrong, but after the game, hearing that other kids notice her opponent using the cell phone during the round, she talked to main TD. It was to late to change anything. After being supervised closer the next rounds, that player did not pull out any more good results.
The following day, one of the TD's caught another player cheating using his cell phone.
I wonder if USCF site will mention anything.
Andrei
Hi Andrei,
I doubt the USCF will mention it on their site. A number of years ago the CMA was the selected vendor at a U.S. National Scholastic event. We caught a youngster stealing. The response from the organization reps was...ohhh this has never happened before (duh!)...the youngster was scolded and life goes on. BTW we have caught youngsters (and oldsters) stealing in Canada too....and we did no better than the USCF :(.
There are cases of cell phone cheating in Canada which have been swept under the rug.
With the Monroi system...games transmitted live onto the internet...it makes it even easier to cheat as someone can be watching a game live...plug the position into Fritz...and text a move to a player...
I doubt the USCF will mention it on their site. A number of years ago the CMA was the selected vendor at a U.S. National Scholastic event. We caught a youngster stealing. The response from the organization reps was...ohhh this has never happened before (duh!)...the youngster was scolded and life goes on. BTW we have caught youngsters (and oldsters) stealing in Canada too....and we did no better than the USCF :(.
There are cases of cell phone cheating in Canada which have been swept under the rug.
With the Monroi system...games transmitted live onto the internet...it makes it even easier to cheat as someone can be watching a game live...plug the position into Fritz...and text a move to a player...
Cheating is a problem...
in Canada,
Jean Hebert has been the most vocal about this.
Larry
I seem to recall someone mentioning recently that Monroi had been contacted about implementing a "delay" feature that the organizers could use to introduce a forced delay into the internet feed... I have no idea if that has been done (proposed to Monroi) or what their response was if it has been floated.
Of course, they are not the only vendor: there are the DGT boards too - although I guess they are somehow less popular it seems. No idea if their setup permits a delay...
At the Alberta Closed, I collected cell phones before the start of each round. I do the same at the Calgary International. I haven't done this for every tournament I organize, but I think it's time to start. It is best to eliminate the possible cheating avenues as best you can. Collecting the cell phones is easy to do. As well, I do not allow the use of mp3 players or any other kind of electronic devices in major events. So, no head phones allowed either. Also, players are escorted to the smoking area and are monitored any time they leave the playing area (breath of fresh air, bathroom, etc.).
The real cheaters will always be creative and will try to stay one step ahead. Just the way it is.
Just out of curiosity, if one is caught cheating using a phone or whatever, is the punishment a rated forfeit and expulsion from the tourney. Is that the norm? What do you think?
Well, I know a cheating incident in the past has resulted in a 6-month CFC suspension. I guess it depends on how far the TD or organizer pursues it.
Getting kicked out of a tournament is a slap on the wrist. Losing rating points is potentially a benefit, helping them to sandbag so their cheating helps them win even more money later.
You forfeit the game in progress just for your phone going off - even if you WEREN'T cheating. So obviously the penalty for actually cheating should be higher than that.
I agree! For cheating, expulsion followed by a report to the CFC Ethics Committee.
The worst rule vioaltion made by a cheater is that of article 12.1
The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.. Cheating creates a negative public opinion about Chess. Allegations of organised cheating by the French Olympic team have made the news worldwide. This is the kind of publicity that Chess do not need. The Federal Appeal Committee, not to be confused with the NAC which in France is the Comission Nationale d'Appels Sportifs, will hear the parties involved on May 19th 2011. Pending that, the already condemned players may continue to play because the Appeal suspends the application of their suspension. The players have been found guilty by the Federal Disciplinary Commission, they have appealed to the Federal Appeal Commission. No further appeals are possible within the boundaries of the France Chess Federation, but the case could be taken to regular courts of Laws.
Apart from 12.1 there is also 13.7 bUnless authorised by the arbiter, it is forbidden for anybody to use a mobile phone or any kind of communication device in the playing venue and any contiguous area designated by the arbiter and 12.3 a, During play the players are forbidden to make use of any notes, sources of information or advice, or analyse on another chessboard b.Without the permission of the arbiter a player is forbidden to have a mobile phone or other electronic means of communication in the playing venue, unless they are completely switched off. If any such device produces a sound, the player shall lose the game. The opponent shall win. However, if the opponent cannot win the game by any series of legal moves, his score shall be a draw.
Maybe, it is too lenient to authorize a completely turned off communication equipment because it would be quite easy to covertly turn it on.
You forfeit the game in progress just for your phone going off - even if you WEREN'T cheating. So obviously the penalty for actually cheating should be higher than that.
My daughter played last weekend at US HS nationals, she lost one game to a kid from east coast, we believe that her opponent had a "great" day. She appealed to late to the TD, the opponent left the room many times (even when it was his turn), been seen using his cell phone during the round, and made all engine moves after he was back, while staying at the board moves where way weaker. She did not call the TD because was afraid not to accuse someone who is not at wrong, but after the game, hearing that other kids notice her opponent using the cell phone during the round, she talked to main TD. It was to late to change anything. After being supervised closer the next rounds, that player did not pull out any more good results.
The following day, one of the TD's caught another player cheating using his cell phone.
I wonder if USCF site will mention anything.
Andrei
This is getting ridiculous! Chess is an honourable game, that teaches both objectivity, and consequences. But most of all, it is an enjoyable game that many people like to compete in, and strive for success. After working hard, and preparing for a tournament, and then facing a cheater who lacks any effort is unbearable. Sometimes, people think that just winning, and winning money, or whatever the prize is, is the only thing that matters. And if they are going to cheat they're way through then so be it. Cheating not only hurts the cheater itself, with guilt, but the opponent with dissapointment. If we just played the game the way it is supposed to be played, with determination, and intellect, the game would be competitive in all aspects again. And if the cheaters continue to cheat, lets hope our td's and our players keep a good eye open, because if the tournaments have prize money, it is not only cheating, it is stealing
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