Surprised the CFC ratings not updated yet

[Denton Cockburn]

Usually Gerry is right on the ball.

Has anyone checked to make sure he's alright :)

[Fred McKim]

Re: Surprised the CFC ratings not updated yet

Usually Gerry is right on the ball.

Has anyone checked to make sure he's alright :)

Nothing wrong with Gerry. He decided to rate some late tournaments, and didn't get the ratings on the website until about 10:30 AM ET today.

What are people's opinions ? Should we not even allow events submitted Wed to be rated ? I know I always have mine in on Tuesday....

[Denton Cockburn]

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Nothing wrong with Gerry. He decided to rate some late tournaments, and didn't get the ratings on the website until about 10:30 AM ET today.

What are people's opinions ? Should we not even allow events submitted Wed to be rated ? I know I always have mine in on Tuesday....

I tend to have mine in by the day of, or the day after the tournament.

I'm surprised that people are submitting on Wednesday. I think the cut-off should be a hard one on Tuesday at 11:59 pm.

Denton

[Christopher Mallon]

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If I'm not mistaken, the reports used to be due on Monday, except for events that ended on a Monday (ie Holiday weekends) which could be due on the Tuesday.

There's no way the deadline should be Wednesday, and there should be no obligation to rate any events submitted late until the next week.

If you allow people to be lazy, they'll never change and it'll only get worse...

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Surprised the CFC ratings not updated yet

Nothing wrong with Gerry. He decided to rate some late tournaments, and didn't get the ratings on the website until about 10:30 AM ET today.

What are people's opinions ? Should we not even allow events submitted Wed to be rated ? I know I always have mine in on Tuesday....

I would prefer the ratings to come out on time but no biggie if they are a few hours late. We used to be happy with ratings every two months. Rating the late tournaments means that he won't have to do them next week.

It would be nice if the SwissSys submissions were automatically included without requiring Gerry's intervention except where there was a problem in the entered results. If that were the case we could have continuous rating updates without deadlines.

[Denton Cockburn]

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I would prefer the ratings to come out on time but no biggie if they are a few hours late. We used to be happy with ratings every two months. Rating the late tournaments means that he won't have to do them next week.

It would be nice if the SwissSys submissions were automatically included without requiring Gerry's intervention except where there was a problem in the entered results. If that were the case we could have continuous rating updates without deadlines.

Implementing something like this would be pretty nice.
I think though that it would be fairly difficult, because Gerry is also responsible for collecting fees and memberships.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Implementing something like this would be pretty nice.
I think though that it would be fairly difficult, because Gerry is also responsible for collecting fees and memberships.

I don't think that part of the task would change though a proper shopping cart function on the website could also simplify the payment portion of the job.

[Ken Craft]

Re: Surprised the CFC ratings not updated yet

Geez, ratings used to be updated 6 times a year.

[Gary Ruben]

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Geez, ratings used to be updated 6 times a year.

Geez, chess players used to think more about playing chess than their rating.

[Jonathan Berry]

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Geez, ratings used to be updated 6 times a year.

From 1973 to 1983, anyway. Then it was monthly, via the Northern. Before 1970, I believe that updates were quarterly, though you had to subscribe to Canadian Chess Chat to find out. For the rest, it was annual ratings booklets. The first annual CFC Rating list was 1954; not sure when Chess Chat started to publish interim lists.

Despite my nostalgia for the bad old days, it is an improvement to have ratings updated 52 times per year. A possible downside is if many events get rated out of order, but if they do, that's a flaw in system design, not in the frequency of updates.

[Denton Cockburn]

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From 1973 to 1983, anyway. Then it was monthly, via the Northern. Before 1970, I believe that updates were quarterly, though you had to subscribe to Canadian Chess Chat to find out. For the rest, it was annual ratings booklets. The first annual CFC Rating list was 1954; not sure when Chess Chat started to publish interim lists.

Despite my nostalgia for the bad old days, it is an improvement to have ratings updated 52 times per year. A possible downside is if many events get rated out of order, but if they do, that's a flaw in system design, not in the frequency of updates.

I don't think events can be rated out of order if they are submitted on time.
I'm pretty sure (or would expect) the system to order the addition of items to the database based on event completion date.

Even if that's not the case, it's shouldn't be that difficult to re-work the ratings to apply an update (this happened before when my rating was corrected).

Denton

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Surprised the CFC ratings not updated yet

Yes, they have (had?) a procedure to re-rate events when something gets submitted out of order.

[Roger Patterson]

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Yes, they have (had?) a procedure to re-rate events when something gets submitted out of order.

probably 'had'. AFAIK, there are no plans to rerate events which have been improperly submitted as regular as opposed to active, even quite recent events.

[Larry Bevand]

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probably 'had'. AFAIK, there are no plans to rerate events which have been improperly submitted as regular as opposed to active, even quite recent events.

Is that a reference to the long standing Victoria - Vancouver philosophy regarding this question? Or is this something of which I am not aware :)

[Hugh Brodie]

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You can get tournaments rated "out of order" for certain individuals if (for example) someone plays in a 5-round one-game-a-week event, and plays in a couple of weekend Swisses during that time. His 5-rounder won't be rated until its completion; meanwhile, the Swisses have been rated.

Is the CFC's rating program sophisticated enough to rate games/tournaments like these in exact chronological order?