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Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
I'm with Fred for a change. One may not like these new rules, (I'm not even sure I do) but they were created via due process - after much debate within the Youth Committee and passed by the Governors. AND every player interested in the Pan Ams knew exactly what was at stake.
We even have email correspondance detailing why the player in question preferred to go to the PanAms and that the WYCC was of no interest.
Mikhail, you are a respected citizen in our chess community and you have more productive avenues at hand if you want to change the rules for the future.
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
Another crappy decision made by the CFC Executive and without informing the Governors as usual. The current executive has provided virtiually no information to the Governors since they took office. I can probably count the amount of posts in the CFC Governors forum by the new President on one hand.
The rules do not have to be changed to allow these players to participate. The choice to play internationally instead of at the CYCC is adequate extenuating circumstances.
I'm with Fred for a change. One may not like these new rules, (I'm not even sure I do) but they were created via due process - after much debate within the Youth Committee and passed by the Governors. ...
In his response to your post, Ken Craft disputes that there was any due process. What's the truth?
... AND every player interested in the Pan Ams knew exactly what was at stake. ...
Hal, why did the CFC have to create a situation where children and their parents were forced to make an either/or decision? Is it not a given that the experience of playing internationally is beneficial in a number of ways (i.e. not just chess) for youngsters? It appears that the CFC is trying to bolster the image of the CYCC, and their own sense of self-importance, by denying these three juniors an opportunity to play at the WYCC; an opportunity which apparently is in conformance with FIDE's regulations. What on earth are you people at the CFC thinking?
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
I'm not disputing there was due process on the creating of the rules.
I disagree with how the rules are being applied and the fact that the communication between the executive and the Governors is almost non-existant.
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
Sorry for misinterpreting your poorly-worded post. :D
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
I am here to bring an issue with 2011 WYCC participation in Brazil. This is concerning special case -> top kids who are not allowed to represent Canada in WYCC this year in Brazil.
Players:
WCM Jackie Peng (top girl U14 in Canada)
WCM Jiaxin (Dora) Lui (top girl U10 in Canada)
Dezheng Kong (to boy U12 in Canada)
WCM Jackie Peng and Dezheng Kong did not register to join Canadian team in WYCC this year. WCM Jaxin (Dora) Liu tried, but got declined by CFC to join WYCC team.
WHY?
The problem started, when Pan-American Chess organizers scheduled their tournament on same dates as 2011 CYCC in Richmond Hill. As a result fowling players decided to go and represent their country at Pan-American games: WCM Jackie Peng, WCM Jiaxin (Dora) Liu and Dezheng Kong. All of them are top juniors in their respective groups in Canada.
All 3 of them decided to participate in Pan-American games and make Canada proud in Columbia. :D
The reason why they decided to join Pan-American team is because CFC had following rules in place at that time.
Rules
Regarding participation in the WYCC:
3 ways that a player can participate with the Canadian team at the
WYCC:
1) win a spot by qualifying at the CYCC with a top 3 position result in
their section.
2) Apply to the CFC for a spot as a player that competed in the CYCC but
did not qualify with an additional fee of $150
3) Participate as the Canadian Player that holds the top rating for their
section, regardless as to whether they played in the CYCC or not.
Please note rule #3. This rule allows them to participate in WYCC as extra players. The only catch is they have to pay their own expenses, if they decide to join WYCC team. (extra players are: did not play in CYCC and qualify the official way)
The only player, who expressed to join WYCC team this year. is WCM Jiaxin (Dora) Liu, as an extra player. Extra player must pay his/her own expenses. This means CFC will not have to spend a dime, only allow them to join WYCC team. She recently received her title from FIDE for her 2009 accomplishment in North American Chess Championship in Mexico.
She also is a senior this year and this is her best chance to win WYCC championship, especially with addition of her new title.
I am very puzzled why CFC is refusing her to play in WYCC this year. Please correct me, if I am wrong. Is it in CFC best interest to send in strongest competitors to WYCC and represent CANADA at World's stage?
My point is : Why should I our top juniors suffer, because of scheduled conflict between Pan-American and CYCC tournaments? Out top juniors are the ones who are suffering from this. This is wrong!
This is special case. If, both tournaments were scheduled in different times, we would not have this problem at this time. Is it sad that CFC does not want to see it in any other way. The questions I ask: Why should I top juniors be victims?
CFC case is - they are not allowed to go, because they did not play in CFC
(end of discussion). :(
How could they play in both tournaments?
Can you really blame them for choosing Pan-American games and represent their country, since they are top players in their age group?
We are looking for your support in this case, and allow extra players to participate in WYCC. FIDE already allows extra players to participate.
Mikhail
2011 Official Delegate f team Canada in Pan-American Chess games in Columbia
Hamilton Chess Club Secretary
First of all, I don't know what are the details of the WYCC participation rules or related regulations of the CFC; from common sense, what is the harm for CFC to send top rated kids to WYCC? Is there any other reason for CFC rejection of Dora's registration that they feel shy to disclose?
Looks like CFC is NOT encouraging more good players to WYCC this year. for example, only the top 3 CYCC places players (after tied break) get bursaries, even if one of top 3 players doesn't go to WYCC, the 4th/5th place still can't get anything.
First of all, I don't know what are the details of the WYCC participation rules or related regulations of the CFC; from common sense, what is the harm for CFC to send top rated kids to WYCC? Is there any other reason for CFC rejection of Dora's registration that they feel shy to disclose?
Looks like CFC is NOT encouraging more good players to WYCC this year. for example, only the top 3 CYCC places players (after tied break) get bursaries, even if one of top 3 players doesn't go to WYCC, the 4th/5th place still can't get anything.
This thread is continuing at the CFC forum (or at least my involvement). However, the bursaries this year to 2nd and 3rd place finishers are a first and were made possible by the large attendence at the CYCC and the desire of the CYCC organizing committee.
In normal years the winners receive $1000 travel vouchers from the proceeds of the CYCC, and their accommodations and meals are provided for by the WYCC organizers. The rest of the CYCC money typically goes for a coach, registration fees, incidentals, etc. Extra players have to pay all of their expenses, but do get the benefit of the coaching (staff).
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
The protectionist decision, and the decision to not allow those who wanted to attend the Pan Am the opportunity to attend the WYCC is abhorent and morally bankrupt in my opinion. The whole situation appears to have been coercive based on what has been written. I do wonder what a judge might think of this situation. I'm also interested in how judge would view all of these postings which try to explain/justify the situation. People really should avail themselves of their legal rights more often. National sporting federations are not above the law.
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
Yes, he is Kerry. With the rights and privileges thereof; of course until the executive decides to ignore those rights and privileges. ;) I'm sure that has never happened and will never happen in the CFC.
Robert Song : " even if one of top 3 players doesn't go to WYCC, the 4th/5th place still can't get anything. "
Is Robert right on this ? - if one of the top 3 decides not to participate in the WYCC after qualifying, and winning a bursary, do the bursaries not all shift one position as a result ( ie. if # 1 declines, then # 2 becomes the " official rep " with the $ 1000 toward plane fare, etc., and # 4 then gets the # 3 bursary)?
Re: Concerning extra players representing CANADA at 2011 WYCC in Brazil
And there's definitely never been a case, especially not recently, of the Exec simply refusing to allow Governors to discuss and/or vote on a motion! :p
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