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Re: CCC - Motion 2012-M - Members' Motion - Important Right
Hi Chris:
The Members' Motion proposed under Motion 2012-M arises in a dispute between at least a significant minority of the membership and the governors ( since the members couldn't find 2 governors to bring their motion for them ). It is hoped by the members in this case, that there may be some changing of minds when a full formal debate in a meeting is required of the governors on the issue. You are likely right, that with so much initial governor opposition, it would require a sea change to get the motion passed. But the significant point is that the issue got publicly debated, recorded and published in the minutes, and all can see which governors were against, and why. The membership can then determine what they think of the whole process, and may want to dump some governors next election.
This is why the section is important, regardless of lack of initial governor cooperation with the moving member.
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Thursday, 24th November, 2011, 02:50 PM.
publicly debated, recorded and published in the minutes
It might be that a motion without an initial support by governors would not be debated just voted ;)
As for motions: you should change "adult" to "ordinary". Officially "adult member" does not exist, it is an "Ordinary Member". "Adult" is not used in the CFC constitution.
Re: The Cooperative Chess Coalition ( CCC ) - Source of the Attack
I don't think it's really fair to compare in that way, considering that we don't pay our secretary at all.
So basically this motion is telling a volunteer that they are required to work harder, when they already work as hard as just about anyone in the organization. It's one thing to quibble about productivity levels when you're paying someone - then you can apply a cost-benefit analysis. In the case of a volunteer position, however....
I don't think it's really fair to compare in that way, considering that we don't pay our secretary at all.
So basically this motion is telling a volunteer that they are required to work harder, when they already work as hard as just about anyone in the organization. It's one thing to quibble about productivity levels when you're paying someone - then you can apply a cost-benefit analysis. In the case of a volunteer position, however....
Yes, but we have a situation where a few people are looking after so many. In this case the motion will add to the job in a manner which will generate more work. Since we're past the election it's not work for which the volunteer agreed (it could be a volunteer for any position).
Productivity levels don't really apply. If you have, say, a dozen people doing the same type of work they won't all do the same amount. That tends to vary and some people tend to do more than others, from what I've noticed. However, quality can vary. Sometimes it's fast and sloppy or slow and meticulous. The schmatta business was piece work many years ago and may still be unless the product is mainly imported these days. Incentive to do more.
There seems to be a labour overtone so maybe the people involved are in favour of paying for extra duties assigned CFC executives. In a way those jobs seem to be expected to be piece work.
I found the CCC agenda to be ill-concieved, and what may be worse, tedious. It was a bit like in Leonard Cohen's "Stranger Song" where the man is getting all poetic and the woman, finally hoping to get rid of him, says "OK, the bridge [which in his patter, was a metaphorical bridge], or someplace, later." I understood and appreciated the issues raised, but soon my gaze was glazed, well glazed. I did not think it was my place, as a former governor and now slacker, to cavil, but it's reassuring to hear that somebody in the CFC Exec couldn't take any more. I write to express support.
I'm surprised that it was Lyle who boiled them. Love him or list him (apologies to W Network), Lyle is a foursquare, long haul kind of guy.
It's not a new idea, Jean. Of course, Democracy is ancient. But I also tried it about 32 years ago in the CFC. I put prominently in the magazine that I was willing to do the work so that every member could vote by mail ballot for governor. How many responses? Zero. Zero out of twice as many members as CFC has in 2011. Broad strokes, CFC for its size and importance in the average member's life, has enough democracy.
CFC is a federation of provincial associations. The problem is not that the CFC is too strong in relation to individuals, the problem is that the provincial association that almost all of the CCC members (did) belong to, is weak relative to the CFC. Put the same effort into fixing the OCA as you have into comatizing the CFC (but please not the same methods), and we will be kilometers ahead. Other provincial associations, I would venture, also need help.
I found the CCC agenda to be ill-concieved, and what may be worse, tedious.
Agreed. However I believe that even a well conceived agenda of clear-cut and to the point changes would not be met with more cooperation or consideration. It simply seems that appetite and capacity for meaningful changes remain chronically low within the CFC. Cosmetic changes are always preferred.
One example is the CFC's e-letter. Instead of designing a new product to fit a new media (internet) and to reach a much wider clientele, we have just transposed the features of the former paper magazine into an e-magazine to reach the very same few people as before. This failure to adapt and take advantage of new opportunities and circumstances is making significant growth very unlikely.
Jean gives a good point that the PDF is not the best interactive format for the chess publication. - Egidijus Zeromskis
I was not talking about the format. HPE is also in pdf. :) I was talking more precisely about the content which is geared only towards the hard core member.
One example is the CFC's e-letter. Instead of designing a new product to fit a new media (internet) and to reach a much wider clientele, we have just transposed the features of the former paper magazine into an e-magazine to reach the very same few people as before. This failure to adapt and take advantage of new opportunities and circumstances is making significant growth very unlikely.
How to get the CFC to adapt is the challenge. Bob Armstrong thinks democracy is the magic pill that will bring participation. How to develop future hard-working volunteers?
The new website is good with its daily news and problem of the day. The ratings page is clean to read, but no input for members to add personal things like photos and favourite games/comments (like that was my best tournament ever! or I'll never play the French again.). No connection of ratings/tournament tables to create a forum for interaction of players. No database of Canadian games to kibitz on like chessgames.com.
How can the website, newsletter and email reach out to the new markets of kids (and parents/teachers) in school chessprograms and casual internet players?
How can the CFC use email to members to engage players, to generate interest and contribution? Have they searched for emails and contacted expired members?
How can organizers use videos and multimedia to promote and report on events? Providing game players with analysis and photo albums on their websites?
How to get the CFC to adapt is the challenge. Bob Armstrong thinks democracy is the magic pill that will bring participation. How to develop future hard-working volunteers?
The new website is good with its daily news and problem of the day. The ratings page is clean to read, but no input for members to add personal things like photos and favourite games/comments (like that was my best tournament ever! or I'll never play the French again.). No connection of ratings/tournament tables to create a forum for interaction of players. No database of Canadian games to kibitz on like chessgames.com.
How can the website, newsletter and email reach out to the new markets of kids (and parents/teachers) in school chessprograms and casual internet players?
How can the CFC use email to members to engage players, to generate interest and contribution? Have they searched for emails and contacted expired members?
How can organizers use videos and multimedia to promote and report on events? Providing game players with analysis and photo albums on their websites?
How can the CFC develop a phone app?
How can all this be done by volunteers?
I think it could be possible for individuals to have blogs or post pictures or stories. We just haven't gotten to thinking about that yet.
Kevin Pacey has been madly e-mailing ex-members (I suppose as part of his job as Membership Committee Chairman).
A phone app ? I'm not sure what you mean. The website is available in mobile format.
Volunteers. Yes. That becomes the problem.
Thanks for the compliments about he web site, it's going to be a work in progress for a long time.
I was talking more precisely about the content which is geared only towards the hard core member.
This is more an issue of the lack of authors. (I have not yet heard that someone article was rejected.)
I prefer to see a section with (practical) problems. The CanBase definitely would come into a use. I assume there are coaches who have such (original & Canadian) material and they could publish it :)
This is more an issue of the lack of authors. (I have not yet heard that someone article was rejected.)
I prefer to see a section with (practical) problems. The CanBase definitely would come into a use. I assume there are coaches who have such (original & Canadian) material and they could publish it :)
I'm sure CCN editor, Edward Porper would love to hear from anyone who has suggestions on improving the magazine.
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