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We are having a discussion on this at the Cooperative Chess Coalition chess discussion board, " CCC - Chess Posts of Interest ". Here is what we understand is necessary:
1. in a swiss ( can be round robin as well, but special rules apply ) where you play three opponents who are FIDE rated, and score one point against them ( a win or 2 draws ), you achieve a " norm ", and the three games go towards a total of 9 FIDE opponent games you must get to have your rating published on the FIDE List.
2. You can get the rest of the games required to total 9 in any way ( playing at least 3 FIDE rated opponents in one tournament eg. five; but there must be at least 3, to make it a " norm performance " ). But in the tournament from which you want the tournament games rated, you must again score a total of one point, otherwise none of the games count, because it is not a " norm performance ".
It is this second factor that we are very unsure we have right, despite some people trying to interpret the regulations.
Can someone more knowledgable help us out with this?
Further research has revealed something different than our # 2 condition we were concerned was not right. It comes from the Illinois Chess Association article on the topic: http://il-chess.org/index.php?option...news&Itemid=75 .
Our first condition seems correct.
But re the second one on getting the balance of the 9 games needed, it says:
" (2) After you have achieved this performance rating norm, all games played against FIDE rated players, regardless of result or number of games in a single tournament, will count towards your initial rating."
This means, as we now understand it, that you don't have to achieve any subsequent " norms " - just the first one. In a second tournament, you can play only 1 FIDE rated player, and lose ( get 0 pts. ) and yet that game will be counted in among the needed 9. Similarly you could play your next tournament, and face 5 FIDE rated opponents, and lose all, and you would have then achieved your 9 games, and FIDE would publish your rating.
Further research has revealed something different than our # 2 condition we were concerned was not right. It comes from the Illinois Chess Association article on the topic: http://il-chess.org/index.php?option...news&Itemid=75 .
Our first condition seems correct.
But re the second one on getting the balance of the 9 games needed, it says:
" (2) After you have achieved this performance rating norm, all games played against FIDE rated players, regardless of result or number of games in a single tournament, will count towards your initial rating."
This means, as we now understand it, that you don't have to achieve any subsequent " norms " - just the first one. In a second tournament, you can play only 1 FIDE rated player, and lose ( get 0 pts. ) and yet that game will be counted in among the needed 9. Similarly you could play your next tournament, and face 5 FIDE rated opponents, and lose all, and you would have then achieved your 9 games, and FIDE would publish your rating.
So have we got it right now?
Bob, CCC Coordinator
Bob,
Your first post was correct (ie needing at least three games for a 'result') until sometime recently (I believe some time in 2011). Now it is as you state, with some caveats. (By the way check out our player, Nikouline, who had 7 game and 2 game results to get his FIDE rating).
There are (or were) minimum rating performances required - so going O-fer
may not count. We had player go 1-6 in 2010, but the rating performance was too low to count as a result.
Bob,
Your first post was correct (ie needing at least three games for a 'result') until sometime recently (I believe some time in 2011). Now it is as you state, with some caveats. (By the way check out our player, Nikouline, who had 7 game and 2 game results to get his FIDE rating).
There are (or were) minimum rating performances required - so going O-fer
may not count. We had player go 1-6 in 2010, but the rating performance was too low to count as a result.
The rating performance required is at least 1200?
Maybe we make too much of this in Canada. Here in France everyone is FIDE rated, unless they are below 1200.
That being said I'm certainly going to get mine while I'm here. So far on track for it.
Basically what your understanding is right, I think. Once you got 1 point from 3 fide rated games in one single tournament, you just need to add up fide rated games until 9 games. no points or number of games in single tournament required.
To recap: Here are the two conditions CCC understands are needed to get a published FIDE rating:
1. The " Norm " - in a swiss ( can be round robin as well, but special rules apply ) where you play three opponents who are FIDE rated, and score one point against them ( a win or 2 draws ), you achieve a " norm ", and these first three games go towards a total of 9 FIDE opponent games you must get to have your rating published on the FIDE List.
2. The Total Games - After you have achieved this performance rating norm, all games played against FIDE rated players, regardless of result or number of games in a single tournament, will count towards your initial rating.
This means that you don't have to achieve any subsequent " norms " - just the first one. In a second tournament, you can play only 1 FIDE rated player, and lose ( get 0 pts. ) and yet that game will be counted as game #4 among the needed 9. Similarly you could play your next tournament, and face 5 FIDE rated opponents, and lose all, and you would have then achieved your 9 games total, and FIDE would publish your rating.
The problem is:
a) Tony Boron posted that he thought our condition # 2 was wrong, due to a recent FIDE change, and that there is a performance criteria to be met in getting the 6 subsequent games;
b) Robert Song, father of junior Master Michael Song, posted that he thought our two conditions were right.
It seems we need some definitive answer with reference to the FIDE Regulation involved, so we can be certain on this.
Can anyone help us on this? I do have someone who is fairly knowledgable about the FIDE rules, trying to track it down for CCC. But if anyone can help now....
To recap: Here are the two conditions CCC understands are needed to get a published FIDE rating:
1. The " Norm " - in a swiss ( can be round robin as well, but special rules apply ) where you play three opponents who are FIDE rated, and score one point against them ( a win or 2 draws ), you achieve a " norm ", and these first three games go towards a total of 9 FIDE opponent games you must get to have your rating published on the FIDE List.
2. The Total Games - After you have achieved this performance rating norm, all games played against FIDE rated players, regardless of result or number of games in a single tournament, will count towards your initial rating.
This means that you don't have to achieve any subsequent " norms " - just the first one. In a second tournament, you can play only 1 FIDE rated player, and lose ( get 0 pts. ) and yet that game will be counted as game #4 among the needed 9. Similarly you could play your next tournament, and face 5 FIDE rated opponents, and lose all, and you would have then achieved your 9 games total, and FIDE would publish your rating.
The problem is:
a) Tony Boron posted that he thought our condition # 2 was wrong, due to a recent FIDE change, and that there is a performance criteria to be met in getting the 6 subsequent games;
b) Robert Song, father of junior Master Michael Song, posted that he thought our two conditions were right.
It seems we need some definitive answer with reference to the FIDE Regulation involved, so we can be certain on this.
Can anyone help us on this? I do have someone who is fairly knowledgable about the FIDE rules, trying to track it down for CCC. But if anyone can help now....
Bob, CCC Coordinator
Bob,
Your #2 is not "wrong", just perhaps not complete (ie possibly the performance requirement is still in effect). I indicated your initial # 2 had changed.
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