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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Jean, Jean, Jean, you never answered my questions!
    Instead, you told me to go google myself.
    Thankfully, Felix was more helpful.
    I gave you an answer (and then some...) a few posts below in the same thread :
    "The FQE has no governor or anything similar allowing in-depth discussions. Decisions are taken during board meetings by a board made of the executive (five people including the president) and some (7-8?) regional delegates. Since that the executive has already approved the deal, it would take an almost unanimous stand against it from the regional delegates to overturn it. That is very unlikely to happen even though this "support" would only indicate a lack of proper consideration for this rushed and superficial deal."

    Apparently you can't "google yourself" and you can't follow a thread properly. Too demanding for you. No doubt, you were uniquely qualified to be CFC prez.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
    Thanks for telling me. Apparently there was a typo in one of the articles regarding the agreement. Of course, the correct date is July 19, as there is no meeting on July 29. As mentionned a few times, the vote will take place after the plenary session on July 19.
    How could such a critical mistake lay there for so long is beyond understanding.
    It means anyway that the vote will be rushed just days before the president and some other members leave their office, leaving this poisoned legacy to their successors. It would have been much wiser to let the newly elected people decide for themselves according to their new mandate.
    At this point it is already quite clear that there is very little support for this deal among FQE members. Do you believe Felix that the CA people should follow the FQE president or the FQE members they should represent ? I am curious to get your opinion on this.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    Bob, Bob, Bob...
    You already asked those questions in this thread ... and you got answers.
    "Who are the governors of the FQE? How many are there?
    How does the FQE governance structure work? Similar to CFC?" -Gillanders

    How many times are you going to ask the same questions belatedly now that the motion has been voted ? And then you wonder why Spraggett makes fun of you and the CFC...
    Jean, Jean, Jean, you never answered my questions!
    Instead, you told me to go google myself.
    Thankfully, Felix was more helpful.

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  • Felix Dumont
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    Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    Taken from the FQE website :

    "Cette entente sera soumise au CA le 29 juillet prochain pour approbation finale."

    Félix,
    Could you make a minimum of effort to at least provide basic information correctly ?
    Thanks for telling me. Apparently there was a typo in one of the articles regarding the agreement. Of course, the correct date is July 19, as there is no meeting on July 29. As mentionned a few times, the vote will take place after the plenary session on July 19.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Felix, can you give us some insight into the FQE governance structure?
    Are the FQE representatives similar to CFC governors? How many are there, and do they represent a particular region? Will a simple majority be enough to approve the agreement?
    Bob, Bob, Bob...
    You already asked those questions in this thread ... and you got answers.
    "Who are the governors of the FQE? How many are there?
    How does the FQE governance structure work? Similar to CFC?" -Gillanders

    How many times are you going to ask the same questions belatedly now that the motion has been voted ? And then you wonder why Spraggett makes fun of you and the CFC...

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
    The FQE representatives will be asked to vote on the agreement on July 19.
    Taken from the FQE website :

    "Cette entente sera soumise au CA le 29 juillet prochain pour approbation finale."

    Félix,
    Could you make a minimum of effort to at least provide basic information correctly ?

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  • Felix Dumont
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    Re : CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    There is a board of governors constituted of 11 elected members. They are elected by all the FQE members.

    There is the executive:

    President POULIN Marc
    Vice pres. ROUSSEAU Daniel
    Vice pres. LE DUIN Thierry
    Secretary ROY Vital
    Treasurer DESJARDINS Raymond

    And representatives for each major region:

    Quebec TREMBLAY Charles
    West LEMYRE Jasmin
    East GRAVEL Éric
    Montreal SASSEVILLE Jean
    North Shore BER Alexandre
    South Shore ROY Michel

    For all the details and a map (in French):
    http://www.fqechecs.qc.ca/cms/story/...ure-et-comites

    Decisions must be approved at simple majority.

    However, while the current board will vote on the agreement on July 19, there should still be some discussion during the AGM on July 22.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
    The FQE representatives will be asked to vote on the agreement on July 19.
    Felix, can you give us some insight into the FQE governance structure?
    Are the FQE representatives similar to CFC governors? How many are there, and do they represent a particular region? Will a simple majority be enough to approve the agreement?

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  • Kerry Liles
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    Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
    The FQE representatives will be asked to vote on the agreement on July 19.
    Merci, Felix.

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  • Felix Dumont
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    Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
    I thought I saw a date posted for that decision, but I cannot find it now... anyone know when the FQE will be meeting to decide whether or not to ratify the agreement?
    The FQE representatives will be asked to vote on the agreement on July 19.

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  • Kerry Liles
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    Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    It takes two to ratify an agreement. It is obvious that the CFC Governors believed this proposed agreement was in the best interests of its organization. The FQE governing structure will have to decide for itself how it feels about this proposed agreement.
    I thought I saw a date posted for that decision, but I cannot find it now... anyone know when the FQE will be meeting to decide whether or not to ratify the agreement?

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  • Ken Craft
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    Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    It takes two to ratify an agreement. It is obvious that the CFC Governors believed this proposed agreement was in the best interests of its organization. The FQE governing structure will have to decide for itself how it feels about this proposed agreement.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    It has been approved by the CFC Governors.

    Motion 2012-B Ratification of CFC – FQE Agreement (Bond / Dutton)

    YES (27) Aris Marghetis Bob Armstrong Bob Gillanders Christopher Mallon Egidijus Zeromskis Fred McKim Garvin Nunes Gordon Ritchie Hal Bond Halldor P. Palsson Ilia Bluvshtein Ken Craft Ken Einarsson Kevin Pacey Lyle Craver Mark S. Dutton, I.A. Michael Barron Nikolay Noritsyn Patrick McDonald Paul Leblanc Peter Stockhausen Robert Laszlo Vlad Rekhson Vladimir Birarov Vladimir Drkulec Lynn Stringer (by proxy) Maurice Smith (by proxy)

    NO (2) Pierre Dénommée Valer Eugen Demian

    ABSTAIN (4) Hugh Brodie Michael von Keitz Rob Clark Simon Ong

    Therefore by a vote of 27-2 with 4 abstentions the motion passes
    Once again this massive support without Quebec input (only two votes, one against and one abstain) for a motion that takes full advantage of blackmailing a weak FQE, shows once again the CFC incapacity to act honourably and be worth to be called the national federation of a country with two official languages. It fails most notably to acknowledge that the CFC has had and still has the moral obligation to serve its members in both official languages, or to contribute financially to services that it cannot or would not provide itself. This is not included in this motion, otherwise no transfer of money would have been agreed upon. Shame on you governors, shame on you Michael Von Keitz, but most importantly, shame on you Gordon Ritchie who acted as "negociator" while masterminding this deal, and then had the impudence to congratulate the parties for a job well done!

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  • Ken Craft
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    Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    It has been approved by the CFC Governors.

    Motion 2012-B Ratification of CFC – FQE Agreement (Bond / Dutton)

    YES (27) Aris Marghetis Bob Armstrong Bob Gillanders Christopher Mallon Egidijus Zeromskis Fred McKim Garvin Nunes Gordon Ritchie Hal Bond Halldor P. Palsson Ilia Bluvshtein Ken Craft Ken Einarsson Kevin Pacey Lyle Craver Mark S. Dutton, I.A. Michael Barron Nikolay Noritsyn Patrick McDonald Paul Leblanc Peter Stockhausen Robert Laszlo Vlad Rekhson Vladimir Birarov Vladimir Drkulec Lynn Stringer (by proxy) Maurice Smith (by proxy)

    NO (2) Pierre Dénommée Valer Eugen Demian

    ABSTAIN (4) Hugh Brodie Michael von Keitz Rob Clark Simon Ong

    Therefore by a vote of 27-2 with 4 abstentions the motion passes

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Re : Re: Re : Re: CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
    I am not sure how much worse it can get. I have a feeling that the current FQE and CFC executive will make this arrangement work and three years from now we will wonder what all the fuss was about when we quickly renew the arrangement.
    This is precisely what I meant by "wishful thinking". You are putting way too much confidence in the capacity of CFC leaders to act competently (I am not saying that the FQE leadership is any better). Remember, not long ago the CFC lost half his membership in a couple of years and got on the verge of bankrupcy. History tells us that confidence must be tempered and should not replace cautiousness.
    On the other side, Quebec FQE members will from now on have a choice : they will be able to get most FQE services by sending their money to Ottawa and becoming CFC members instead of paying their dues to the FQE! In the Montreal area with about 50% of the population using english as a first language, the temptation will be strong... Only a very weak FQE leadership could allow such a thing. But it will not remain weak for ever. The current president is leaving in a few weeks... Anyone who believes that all this will go by without a fuss should take a wake-up pill.

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