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New attendance record for CYCC (non Ontario edition)
Re: New attendance record for CYCC (non Ontario edition)
The attendancee may be high but it is deceptive. It is called the Canadian Jr Ch. but besides participant from BC and Ontario only few from other areas.
And among these 193 participants, the majority are immigrants. If we substract the Chineses participants, the attendancee will be ridiculously low.
BC players are paying big $$ to play in a semi-local tournament.
The attendancee may be high but it is deceptive. It is called the Canadian Jr Ch. but besides participant from BC and Ontario only few from other areas.
And among these 193 participants, the majority are immigrants.
While the names are not Smith and Jones most of the 19 Windsor kids are born here as far as I know so cannot be considered immigrants. In many cases even the parents were born here.
If we substract the Chineses participants, the attendancee will be ridiculously low.
Fortunately, we don't have to subtract the participants of Chinese heritage so the attendance is ridiculously high.
BC players are paying big $$ to play in a semi-local tournament.
The Ontario players are paying even bigger $$ to play in a national championship which happens to be held in BC.
Clearly Chess in Canda continue to deteriorate
We have a record attendance for a non-Ontario CYCC. How is that a deterioration in any way? Your implication seems to be that attendees only count if they come from the "right" ethnic background. Perhaps that is not what you wish to communicate but that is how it is coming across to me and probably to others.
Re: New attendance record for CYCC (non Ontario edition)
Mr Vlad - I hope I didnt hurt your feeling with my comment about immigrants. I live in BC and all me best friends are immigrants. I consider myself an immigrant myself in some way as I am French Canadian from Mtl and speak really poorly English.
Even the legend GM Kevin Spraggett did make some comments about chess an Canadian immigrant in this interview (in french).
The attendancee may be high but it is deceptive. It is called the Canadian Jr Ch. but besides participant from BC and Ontario only few from other areas.
And among these 193 participants, the majority are immigrants. If we substract the Chineses participants, the attendancee will be ridiculously low.
BC players are paying big $$ to play in a semi-local tournament.
Clearly Chess in Canada continue to deteriorate
One could also point out, not me, of course, that Quebec does not have even one single participant in this "national" championship, either from asian bakground or otherwise! Some people will consider that pointing this out is politically incorrect, but the fact remains that the CYCC formula is defective if distance and costs prevent one of the most important province in Canada (chesswise) to send even one representative. It is also a sign that more and more parents, at least in Quebec, are increasingly aware of the real value of these "open" national championships. And personnally I don't find the figure 193 to be that impressive for what is actually 12 distinct events! That is 16 players per event. What is impressive though, is the kind of money those parents coming from outside B.C. are willing to spend for their kids.
No need to explain or excuse yourself Luc. You make some excellent points even if some people will do their best to understand it the wrong way.
Re: Re : Re: New attendance record for CYCC (non Ontario edition)
Trust the Chesstalkers to find the scorched lining in a good-news story!
Seriously... sure there is always room for improvement, but I fail to see how setting an attendance record of sorts is in any way a bad thing. Build upon the good rather than trying to tear it down!
If the CYCC is in Ottawa next year perhaps some players from Quebec will decide to attend!
P.S. Jean it's one event with 12 sections, not 12 distinct events.
Mr Vlad - I hope I didnt hurt your feeling with my comment about immigrants. I live in BC and all me best friends are immigrants.
I apologize if I misconstrued your comments. I have heard similar comments which were intentionally meant to be unpleasant. My parents told me stories about how they were treated by certain people and it still annoys me greatly.
The attendancee may be high but it is deceptive. It is called the Canadian Jr Ch. but besides participant from BC and Ontario only few from other areas.
And among these 193 participants, the majority are immigrants. If we substract the Chineses participants, the attendancee will be ridiculously low.
BC players are paying big $$ to play in a semi-local tournament.
Clearly Chess in Canda continue to deteriorate
I agree. Gotta get the white kids playing if you want chess to be popular in Canada. Chess is currently not 'cool' and also easily discouraging when you're competing in a super-competitive environment with all Chinese whom have lots of pressure from their parents to do well. I would have never gotten into chess in at atmosphere like that. I hope for one day our Olympiad team to have more homegrown players predominantly without a chess background. That would be a nice indicator of some growth in popularity.
I agree. Gotta get the white kids playing if you want chess to be popular in Canada. Chess is currently not 'cool' and also easily discouraging when you're competing in a super-competitive environment with all Chinese whom have lots of pressure from their parents to do well. I would have never gotten into chess in at atmosphere like that. I hope for one day our Olympiad team to have more homegrown players predominantly without a chess background. That would be a nice indicator of some growth in popularity.
Chris and/or Larry, either:
a) I'm horribly misinterpreting Hansen's post, or;
b) Hansen means well but has a very difficult time trying to express his thoughts accurately in English, or;
c) Hansen's post is really offensive.
Unfortunately, I'm thinking that c) is the right answer. How about deleting his piece of crap post?
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a) I'm horribly misinterpreting Hansen's post, or;
b) Hansen means well but has a very difficult time trying to express his thoughts accurately in English, or;
c) Hansen's post is really offensive.
Unfortunately, I'm thinking that c) is the right answer. How about deleting his piece of crap post?
Or d) he was trying to be funny. But in any case, I'm not a mod anymore, and I got in trouble the one and only time I ever was accused of deleting a post :p
a) I'm horribly misinterpreting Hansen's post, or;
b) Hansen means well but has a very difficult time trying to express his thoughts accurately in English, or;
c) Hansen's post is really offensive.
Unfortunately, I'm thinking that c) is the right answer. How about deleting his piece of crap post?
May I be explained what bothers you that much in Hansen's post, to the point that no eyes should apparently be exposed to it ? Probably "white kids" is not exactly the most politically correct choice of words, but the real point, I think, is that whatever "success" Canada has in its youth program, it stands almost entirely on immigration rather than useful chess policies.
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