Anthropogenic Climate Change ( title changed ) - Assertion & Denial

[Bob Armstrong]

Atlantic Ocean Acidification

from o.canada.com by Mike De Souza, July 2, 2013, 4:40 pm

OTTAWA – Canada’s Atlantic waters may be “particularly vulnerable” to increased carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere that are causing “unprecedented” acidification of the planet’s oceans, says a report by scientists at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

Quoting from numerous scientific publications, the government report, posted on a website without a formal announcement or news release, noted that the world’s oceans have absorbed a significant amount of carbon dioxide emissions from the atmosphere since the industrial revolution, with profound effects on marine ecosystems that could damage the Canadian economy.

Bob A

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Ground Hog sued for broken promises of early spring

forcasts

The future federal budget has a line with $$$ $$$ $$$ for forecasts improvements :p

[Vlad Drkulec]

Ground Hog sued for broken promises of early spring

Ground Hog sued for broken promises of early spring

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_n...or-late-spring

Hmmm.... Maybe we should start suing warmists for their false predictions... we could throw in some racketeering charges and hit them for triple damages.

Global Warming forcasts costing billions WRONG

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ONG-along.html

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: Climate Change : Obama is Concerned

How sea ice loss is affecting extreme weather in the northern hemisphere. It is doing the same thing in the southern hemisphere, but that is for another comment...

Technical, but very accurate.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...rtex-Collapsed

For step by step explanations, I have been posting about all this stuff for many months in my blog...
www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/paul-beckwith

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: Climate Change : Obama is Concerned

"For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart. This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations." - Paul Beckwith, March 18, 2013

NASA video released March 22,2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9YWX7ChjtxY

Also for the record, around last August, just after the massive cyclone chewed up the sea ice from Aug 2 to 10th, 2012 I predicted that sea ice would be gone by the end of September, and I was of course wrong; there were not followup cyclones strong enough to finish off the ice. And I may be wrong again. However my case is much stronger this year...

[Mathieu Cloutier]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

In a sense, you are right. But, uncertainity should not be an excuse for not doing anything, though.

As I wrote many times, we are on an exponential course with regard to our energy consumption and if we don't address this central issue, it will come back and bite us very hard at some point.

[Ken Kurkowski]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

I agree that there has been some significant change. But the actions we take (and possibly economic sacrifices) depend on what future projections we make, and whether we take the approach that the worst case scenario is the one we must assume to be true.

[Mathieu Cloutier]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

I don't really care about these two extremes. Agreed some of them are really stupid and pushing an agenda.

But the facts do show that we are experiencing some significant warming. I don't know what the long term consequences will be, but the climate is getting warmer.

[Ken Kurkowski]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

I take issue with the term 'assertion & denial' in the thread title. It implies that one has only two choices, a) completely reject the possibility of anthropogenic climate change ('deniers') or b) accept all the apocalyptic predictions about the EXTENT of climate change effects ('environmentalists').
Nothing is that simple (chess players, of all people, should know that). The truth lies somewhere between the two extremes. Unfortunately, this 'you're with us or you're against us' mentality has become far too fashionable. e.g. a statement in the House of Commons a while back: 'do you support our bill or are you with the child pornographers?' (or something like that, it was in relation to a measure to increase control over the Internet)

[Mathieu Cloutier]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

Perfect timing!!
Ontario and Quebec just got hit (again!) by Global Worming today :)

How I wish, how I wish ... this religion was true.

Weather does not equal climate... but whatever!

We had a boatload of snow this year in Montreal and the overall weather was so warm that it all melted. We had complete weeks with temperatures in the positive range.

Mathieu

[Emil Smilovici]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

Lets revive the old thread :)

Perfect timing!!
Ontario and Quebec just got hit (again!) by Global Worming today :)

How I wish, how I wish ... this religion was true.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

Lets revive the old thread :)

It was brought to my attention this report from Europe (there is not only the global but local warming too)

A short summary: http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/n...-across-europe
Report at http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/n...-across-europe

[Bob Armstrong]

Weather Extremes = Climate Change

The Moscow Times:

Heaviest Snowfall in a Century:


The heaviest snowfall in a century brought Moscow and the surrounding region to a near standstill and left hundreds of people without power, officials said Tuesday.

And with snowfall set to continue at least until the end of the week, the authorities are bracing for more chaos on the roads.

"There hasn't been such a winter in 100 years," Pyotr Biryukov, deputy mayor for residential issues, said Tuesday in comments carried by Interfax. "The snow this year has already reached one and a half times the climatic norm," he said.



Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...#ixzz2K3KQxMJV
The Moscow Times

It is my view that cumulatively extremes in " weather " are evidence of "climate change".

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

I guess they have never heard of term limits.

That clip is enjoyable. I always like watching people in heavy parkas worrying about global warming.

Something like 60% of the U.S. electricity is generated from coal. Probably that varies because many electricity generators would change over to natural gas when that gets around $3.00 per MCF. Seems to me I heard that price quoted as the price of break even. An MCF is 1,000,000 BTU's. Roughly the equivalent of $75. per ton of thermal coal. Thermal coal is currently just under $60. a ton. Nat gas is currently around $3.50 per MCF so without taking anything else into consideration it's around the equivalent of $85. per ton (short ton) making coal a it cheaper to burn.

I guess that's one reason Obama mentions a higher electricity price. I don't know what he's going to do with nuclear electric plants going forward.

[Tom O'Donnell]

Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

Even Obama supporters who think the President's plan on climate change and green energy is important don't want to pay for it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=CRw0DBj_anY

They are in favour of it if someone else pays for it, though. I am shocked. Oh well, maybe in Obama's third term he will drum up more support. ;-)