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Governments, George Soros, oil companies who are also solar companies, various companies hoping to make large sums of money from the gold rush.
Al Gore was worth approximately one million dollars when he left politics. For a while he was reputed to be worth one billion dollars though I suspect that there has been some decline in that with the collapse of some of his carbon trading initiatives.
The UN would like to set itself up as the central authority in the fight against global warming/climate change and thus to gain taxing authority at which point the corruption which we see in the UN now would be looked on in nostalgic terms as the good old days.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Tuesday, 20th November, 2012, 10:52 AM.
The people who are getting filthy rich are the oil company executives, the 0.1% and the 1%. Climatologists are not, NGO's rely mostly on volunteers and donations to get information to the public.
The truth is the same in every industry around the world. Oil workers aren't getting rich; it's the owners. Likewise climatologists aren't getting rich; it's the first-movers in the new government-sponsored industries - people who set up businesses in renewable energy, carbon offsetting, and related things. Not all of those will enter top wealth categories, but some will.
Two important articles out this past week on what business as usual will result in; basically a "hellish" world...from highly influential sources that have been on the side of fossil fuel companies until recently when they realized the clear and present danger that climate change poses...
World Bank: "The report warns that the world will heat up by 4 degrees at the end of the century if the global community fails to act on climate change." http://climatechange.worldbank.org/
Another poster here is absolutely delirious. The people who are getting filthy rich are the oil company executives, the 0.1% and the 1%. Climatologists are not, NGO's rely mostly on volunteers and donations to get information to the public, WTF is that dude smoking. Not worth answering him directly, what a total BS factory...he mixes up people causing the problem and getting rich with the people who donate huge amounts of time and effort because they care about humans maintaining a presence on the planet. I feel sorry for his nieces and nephews who can read about his invective in the near future and try to figure out how stupid he has been and how his views endangered their future if anyone listened to them...
Do you always have to personally attack anyone who disagrees with you in the least? You sure don't sound scientific doing so. Your comments tend much more to personal destruction and dogma than science.
In my opinion this whole topic has gone off the rails since this third thread was started.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Tuesday, 20th November, 2012, 02:52 AM.
Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial
Two important articles out this past week on what business as usual will result in; basically a "hellish" world...from highly influential sources that have been on the side of fossil fuel companies until recently when they realized the clear and present danger that climate change poses...
World Bank: "The report warns that the world will heat up by 4 degrees at the end of the century if the global community fails to act on climate change." http://climatechange.worldbank.org/
Another poster here is absolutely delirious. The people who are getting filthy rich are the oil company executives, the 0.1% and the 1%. Climatologists are not, NGO's rely mostly on volunteers and donations to get information to the public, WTF is that dude smoking. Not worth answering him directly, what a total BS factory...he mixes up people causing the problem and getting rich with the people who donate huge amounts of time and effort because they care about humans maintaining a presence on the planet. I feel sorry for his nieces and nephews who can read about his invective in the near future and try to figure out how stupid he has been and how his views endangered their future if anyone listened to them...
10 is probably an exaggeration, but there are upcoming technologies such as the sodium-cooled reactor that works off of "spent" uranium fuel. They are taking nuclear waste and reusing it in plants that don't require enriched fuel, and don't require 100 billion dollars to build.
Another book on the subject, more palatable to an AGW crowd, is Compression. The core thesis is how technology can be used to help us do more with less. That is, cut resource consumption in half while doubling population and increasing the global standard of living. It's a tall order, but there are organizations actively figuring out the path to achieve this.
Ten is not an exaggeration. A barrel of oil is usually priced in American dollars. The U.S. dollar has taken a beating in the last few years and there is no sign that this trend is likely to abate any time soon. I suspect that if you looked at how much oil any given quantity of gold could purchase would be an eye opener.
Doubling population is not possible according to the AGW orthodoxy but regardless it is going to happen and probably in our lifetime.
Well, I've gotta say that I do think that we are into a global warming period, or climate change, but I don't have that fear and guilt you allude to, and I am certainly "living free"!
"...a nuclear revolution that will utilize safe nuclear technology to herald in a new era of inexpensive energy with the cost of future energy being less than what it is today by a factor of ten."
You don't really believe this, do you?
We can cut the cost of green energy projects by a factor of ten by simply taking the Ontario government out of the equation. The net effect of recent decisions by the World Trade Organization should produce that same result as the made in Ontario provisions were found to be discriminating against various foreign parties who want access to the highest subsidies in the world as well. That is not possible so the whole program will have to be scrapped and soon we will be paying the same ridiculous subsidies that the Americans are which are an order of magnitude less than the ones that we are paying now.
The current problem with green energy is that much of the energy produced is wasted. Reliable storage technologies preferably built with components and materials that are abundant and cheap would mean that we could stop paying U.S. utilities to take the excess off of our hands for a price. At that point we could ramp up solar production and the price would drop precipitously.
Technologies like LED lights will decrease the amount of energy required to supply a given unit of light. Improvements in technology, efficiency and a smart grid for electricity consumption and distribution will lower costs significantly much as fuel consumption improvements and improvements in the technology of extracting oil have greatly increased the supply of available energy from oil and natural gas extraction. The result of larger supplies and lower consumption for a unit of output will be lower prices.
The nuclear power industry is two generations past the plants that generate most of our power today. The next nuclear power plants built will be much more efficient and safer and probably much smaller than what we are used to today.
Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial
10 is probably an exaggeration, but there are upcoming technologies such as the sodium-cooled reactor that works off of "spent" uranium fuel. They are taking nuclear waste and reusing it in plants that don't require enriched fuel, and don't require 100 billion dollars to build.
Another book on the subject, more palatable to an AGW crowd, is Compression. The core thesis is how technology can be used to help us do more with less. That is, cut resource consumption in half while doubling population and increasing the global standard of living. It's a tall order, but there are organizations actively figuring out the path to achieve this.
Let go of guilt and fear and learn to live free, secure in the knowledge that every problem that you can even think of in the future of human kind already has the seeds of a profound and permanent solution in current technologies.
Well, I've gotta say that I do think that we are into a global warming period, or climate change, but I don't have that fear and guilt you allude to, and I am certainly "living free"!
"...a nuclear revolution that will utilize safe nuclear technology to herald in a new era of inexpensive energy with the cost of future energy being less than what it is today by a factor of ten."
You don't really believe this, do you?
Last edited by Dan Hunter; Monday, 19th November, 2012, 09:35 AM.
New book, "Abundance" by Peter H. Diamandis and Steven Kotler
Gloom and doomers would do well to read the book, "Abundance" (subtitled: "The future is better than you think") for an alternate perspective on their chicken little fantasy world.
This is a very big book which takes a look at underlying trends and shows the current currents washing over our society and showing how current technologies show great promise for solving most of our problems. Malthus must be spinning in his grave as they tackle everything from food production, producing water from toxic waste or seawater for pennies per litre, our secure and abundant energy future which will include a component of the so called green energies (of solar and wind bolstered by new energy storage technologies) but also promise a nuclear revolution that will utilize safe nuclear technology to herald in a new era of inexpensive energy with the cost of future energy being less than what it is today by a factor of ten.
Let go of guilt and fear and learn to live free, secure in the knowledge that every problem that you can even think of in the future of human kind already has the seeds of a profound and permanent solution in current technologies.
The real question in the whole climate change debate is whether you want to live in a state of constant stinking fear as the AGW proponents would have us do or whether you want to take the more realistic view that any problems presented to us by the inheritors of Malthus's doom and gloom philosophy are surmountable. Malthus's gloom and doom was all the rage in 1798 but it has been more than two hundred years and the imminent collapse seems to be pushed further and further into the dimly lit future.
Of course, it is useful to have a large portion of the population in a state of unrealistic, stinking fear because it sells newspapers and advertising on news programs and it also enables the friends of people in high places to make very large sums of money from a cowed population who fund regressive tax schemes like carbon taxes and carbon credits which enrich the few and impoverish the 99%. Who doesn't want to save the planet whether the planet needs saving or not?
The environmental movement has sold its soul in exchange for the lure of easy money and has chosen to whore itself out to the highest bidder regardless of the truth. They have admitted both publicly and privately that their goal is not the spreading of the truth but rather to further their accepted story regardless of how little that story describes reality. The truth be damned when there is money to be made.
The difficulty is because variation between years is like 5C and the warming trend is like 0.5C/decade. It's really really hard to get positive data in that context.
Which was exactly my point earlier! Thank you Alan.
Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial
The difficulty is because variation between years is like 5C and the warming trend is like 0.5C/decade. It's really really hard to get positive data in that context.
My latest Sierra Club Canada blog on why meteorologists at Environment Canada and Accuweather and elsewhere can no longer get any seasonal forecasts correct -- they both say Ottawa will be cold and snowy this winter -- don't think so -- http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/Climate2.0
Take that climate denying echo chamber fanatical zombie earth haters...
Great article Paul. Thanks for keeping up the fight against ignorance. Climate change was mostly ignored during the US elections, but it was good to see President Obama acknowledge the problem during his press conference yesterday. Hopefully during his second term, the US will become part of the solution rather than part of the problem.
Historically chess organizers have avoided scheduling tournaments during January because of expected snow storms. But this year, we are going ahead and scheduling our Mississauga YCC qualifier for January 20th. :)
That is the anthropogenic climate change orthodoxy's response to the reason for lack of warming over the eleven year period 1998 to 2008. This pattern of no discernible warming has continued through 2012. If the pattern continues for another 16 years will this finally be relegated to the pile of quaint chicken little theories like global cooling, peak oil, Malthus's mass starvation predictions and so on? Probably not, as long as there is money to be made from a gullible public.
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