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The Women’s Chess System – Finally Time to Abolish It?
The women's performance ratings at the 2012 Olympiad were 1948, 2007, 1971, 1886, and 1795. I hope we will soon START "sending expert level players to the Olympiad".
Hi John:
When I look at the stats you quote, and I look at the stats quoted by ChessBase:
" one woman in the top 100 players on the FIDE rating list, and ... just 2.2 percent of the top 1000 players [ are ] female "
I have to ask:
After more than one-half century of experimentation, can the supporters of the separate, parallel women's chess system claim it is a " success " ??
What do you think? Is the experiment a " success "?
Or has the women's system in fact retarded the chess development of women. I would note that the one woman in the top hundred referred to by ChessBase is the highest-rated woman chess player ever, Judit Polgar....and she has forever, since starting playing, refused to play in the separate, parallel women's chess system, and she is history's most successful woman player!! Coincidence??
Sure but how do we make sure a Dubois is not a Dubois by marriage only and really a Duboisinsky in Dubois disguise? :D:D
Good point. One of Canada's IMs has a shortened version of his ancestors' name which I guess his grandfather changed when he came here because it was easier to pronounce.
The women's performance ratings at the 2012 Olympiad were 1948, 2007, 1971, 1886, and 1795. I hope we will soon START "sending expert level players to the Olympiad".
Since we are all for equality and we want to protect the weak, how about CFC events for people of the two founding nations only? I mean in Canada most English/French people are very weak at chess, especially compared to people of Asian and Eastern European origin. For proof: take a look at the names on the list of WYCC entries from Canada this year. Not a Jones or Dubois in the lot.
Sure but how do we make sure a Dubois is not a Dubois by marriage only and really a Duboisinsky in Dubois disguise? :D:D
Re: The Women’s Chess System – Finally Time to Abolish It?
Since we are all for equality and we want to protect the weak, how about CFC events for people of the two founding nations only? I mean in Canada most English/French people are very weak at chess, especially compared to people of Asian and Eastern European origin. For proof: take a look at the names on the list of WYCC entries from Canada this year. Not a Jones or Dubois in the lot.
Well... juniors, adults and seniors are their own age category while men and women are gender categories. Bob is just arguing for putting men and women on equal footing since they should be intellectually equal with all this women's right movements of the last century. You don't see many juniors competing with adults in the job market do you? If there are more women in universities and gradually more women in higher up positions, why is it right for women to claim a subsidy on certain events on the basis of historical disadvantage while wanting equal rights in other areas?
They shouldn't be able to cherry pick what they want equal rights in and what they want an advantage in.
On a personal level, it always pisses me off when you have women who are prominently featured in chess news based on their good looks and an ability to move the pieces while men 300-400 points higher than them are never mentioned at all. I'm positive if the women's system was abolished, women chess players will be forced to compete with men and actually become stronger.
This in turn will hopefully allow us to stop sending expert level players to the Olympiad.
I was referring to this preamble: Chess has a very open and egalitarian system – men vs women; boys vs girls; youth vs older; rich vs poor; nationality vs nationality; higher-rated vs lower-rated. In a word, the system is “inclusive” – all can participate.
The youth vs older part leads me to interpret it as meaning no junior events. Once you are opposed to and want to do away with all gender segregated events then I don't see how you justify not doing away with age segregation as well. Why is age deserving of special events while gender is not?
Juniors do compete in the job market. If we take junior to mean the WYCC age criteria then plenty of them compete for part time jobs, babysitting jobs, and jobs after graduating from high school or after dropping out of high school. The government has special programs to try to help youth employment, which they categorize as anyone under 25.
As for women's rights all during the last century I don't quite agree with your time frame. In 1967 for example a woman was not allowed to have her own bank account; if she married she was expected to quit her job etc. Canada was a much different place just a bit longer than in your life time.
Oh and a nurse in Quebec was arrested for merely handing out brochures informing women of birth control options.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 7 November, 2012, 12:00 PM.
I'm positive if the women's system was abolished, women chess players will be forced to compete with men and actually become stronger.
This in turn will hopefully allow us to stop sending expert level players to the Olympiad.
The women's performance ratings at the 2012 Olympiad were 1948, 2007, 1971, 1886, and 1795. I hope we will soon START "sending expert level players to the Olympiad".
On that basis why not do away with junior only tournaments. If your goal is to have everyone in one heterogeneous group.
Well... juniors, adults and seniors are their own age category while men and women are gender categories. Bob is just arguing for putting men and women on equal footing since they should be intellectually equal with all this women's right movements of the last century. You don't see many juniors competing with adults in the job market do you? If there are more women in universities and gradually more women in higher up positions, why is it right for women to claim a subsidy on certain events on the basis of historical disadvantage while wanting equal rights in other areas?
They shouldn't be able to cherry pick what they want equal rights in and what they want an advantage in.
On a personal level, it always pisses me off when you have women who are prominently featured in chess news based on their good looks and an ability to move the pieces while men 300-400 points higher than them are never mentioned at all. I'm positive if the women's system was abolished, women chess players will be forced to compete with men and actually become stronger.
This in turn will hopefully allow us to stop sending expert level players to the Olympiad.
Not sure what your point is Bob. There are basically no female only tournaments in Canada apart from a few cycc sections, the Canadian women's closed and maybe one or two provincial equivalents.
So, you want to stir the pot about abolishing something that basically doesn't exist? Not to mention as organizers operate entirely of their own free choices, unless you want to make organizing women's events strictly illegal, there is no point in making empty philosophical statements about the choices of those organizers.
It would be hilarious to have a Top Male Prize to rival the Top Female Prize now wouldn't it :D
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