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You claimed that I, as opposed to Bob, brought up funding for Canadian chess programmes. I am simply pointing out that this is untrue; Bob brought it up, in an email to me.
Let's chalk it up to a misreading of, or ambiguity in, your sentence:
1. I saw what your post said, and I'm perfectly aware that you didn't refer to the CFC website. I didn't say that you did.
2. I've no idea why you think I was commenting on your email from the CFC. Rather obviously I was addressing the post you made to this board.
Regards,
John
You claimed that I, as opposed to Bob, brought up funding for Canadian chess programmes. I am simply pointing out that this is untrue; Bob brought it up, in an email to me.
Did you read the initial post in this thread? I made no mention of some page on the CFC website. I said, "I received an email from the CFC informing me that it's time to renew my CFC membership."
1. I saw what your post said, and I'm perfectly aware that you didn't refer to the CFC website. I didn't say that you did.
An email. To my inbox. You did not read it. Do not guess at what the CFC did or did not say in it. That is silly. But I am a nice guy: a benevolent ruler. I will hook you up with the info.
2. I've no idea why you think I was commenting on your email from the CFC. Rather obviously I was addressing the post you made to this board.
:( Goodness, so negative. Please allow me to retort:
Book prices - perhaps you are not aware of our new CFC Amazon associate store. You get Amazon pricing and you can support the CFC by buying thru the CFC website. We also still have old stock of books and software at 50% off. So we now have the best prices ;)
Your rating is 2112. And yes, we still need to upgrade the system to eliminate the error messages. It's on the 'to do' list !:o
Magazine - did you really expect the CFC to continue publishing a magazine and go bankrupt in the process ? The online version is coming !:D
Olympiad teams - Not one dime of your membership dues are used to finance the Olympic teams. The CFC raised over 15k from member donations directed specifically to the Olympic teams. (118 donors and some directed to the womens team specifically):D
Tournament listings - are you complaining that we are linking to other websites for tournament listings ? It seems like a good idea to me. And yes, we have created a self serve tournament listing service for our TD's to use. ;)
Lost members ? - We most certainly have lost some members with the loss of the printed magazine, no question. Other reasons too. :o However, overall membership numbers are up in the last 7 months.:)
Still lots to do, but you can't fix everything first !!
Well, maybe I will buy Chess Bitch. Frank Dixon still owes me a copy, but he avoids my posts and probably never had any intention of following through with his promise. What a bad dude. Anyway, I'm probably not going to buy a membership just to get one book. And most other chess books actually have chess lines in them. Those books are boring as hell. I already read Karpov's piece of prose about his matches with Kortchnoi.
Thank you for the rating update. I am pleased to see that my rating is a palindrome. I will aim to gain rating in increments of 110. Palindromes is a film written and directed by Todd Solondz. It's alright. It's no Storytelling, though.
As for the magazine, no, I would not expect the CFC to produce one to the point of bankruptcy. I would expect the CFC to refund a portion of my membership, though. Or give me a store credit of the applicable amount. Even a mere emailed apology would have been better than letting the membership find out via ChessTalk.
Bob, I think the work that you and the rest of the office staff do is superb. However, I believe that the CFC is essentially intrinsically dysfunctional. I do not want to CFC to survive. I want a stronger organisation to take its place.
P.S. The email said that my membership expires on January 1, 2009, but I purchased it on January 13, 2008. While the twelve days may see academic, I plan on playing in a CFC-rated tournament on January 11, 2009. I presume this is fine.
Roger: Are you aware that it was Ben who used the phrase "supporting Canadian chess programmes", not Bob? It is true that the CFC Membership page does say "Your membership dues support all these activities to help ensure chess prospers in Canada."; this follows a list of things which are supported.
I too received an email reminder re my CFC membership a few days ago. After some hesitation I have renewed again, for at least one more time.
John
Did you read the initial post in this thread? I made no mention of some page on the CFC website. I said, "I received an email from the CFC informing me that it's time to renew my CFC membership."
An email. To my inbox. You did not read it. Do not guess at what the CFC did or did not say in it. That is silly. But I am a nice guy: a benevolent ruler. I will hook you up with the info.
"That's right, the more memberships generated in the CFC, the more money there will be available for programs to promote chess across Canada."
- CFC
The CFC spelt "programmes" in the filthy Yankee manner, but I doubt your point was one of semantics. If it was, what the hell. C'mon. No need for that.
what we want to know is where Exactly does the money go. all the 'reasons' for renewing amount to alot of 'warm fuzzy' feelings but not alot else. We want details.
Olympiad - by donations. Yes there were volunteers but I don't see how the
fees were used.
WYCC - sounds like the entry fees paid by the parents covered this event. The money involved by the CFC seems to be for a CFC youth coordinator (administrative).
National championship - once again this sounds like the CFC runs the administrative end of these tournaments. the 'standards' is simply the ratings? or do you mean the quality of venues etc?
What you seem to be saying is that the CFC mainly go towards administration so why not just come out and say that?
More to the point, the CFC sends but who pays? I was of the impression the Olympiad was from donations and the youth events more than paid for themselves.
I thought the CFC did not "hold" those events but they were farmed out to organizers from the provinces. The Quebec federation held the last Canadian Open if I recall correctly.
I do hope you'll correct any errors I might have picked up from what I've been reading.
Well Gary, are we going to debate semantics ?
There are no errors to correct ! You are absolutely right.
Olympiad - What is your point? My CFC includes the executive, governors, staff, organizers, volunteers and membership. So, yes the CFC did "pay", and thru the efforts of many volunteers did "send" 2 Olympic teams.
WYCC - Financed by entry fees to CYCC.(ie. the parents) The kids love this event, and it involves a lot of volunteer from the CFC youth coordinator.
Both of these programs are possible because of the national organization and the efforts of the CFC staff, executive, organizers, and volunteers.
National championships - The CFC is responsible for awarding these events to local organizers. Maintaining standards and coordination. A lot of work goes into running these events. Our many thanks goes to those volunteers, many of whom are often CFC executive and governors. So, with my broad definition of the CFC organization as stated above, I think the statement that the "CFC holds these events" is appropriate.
The CFC sends teams to the Chess Olympiad, World Youth Chess Championship, and other major international events. The CFC holds national championships (including the Canadian Open, Canadian Youth Chess Championship, Canadian Closed, Canadian Women’s Championship) to showcase Canadian talent.
More to the point, the CFC sends but who pays? I was of the impression the Olympiad was from donations and the youth events more than paid for themselves.
I thought the CFC did not "hold" those events but they were farmed out to organizers from the provinces. The Quebec federation held the last Canadian Open if I recall correctly.
I do hope you'll correct any errors I might have picked up from what I've been reading.
if you were giving me a straight line, or just setting me up for criticism. So here it is:
What benefits do I get as a member of the C.F.C.?
When you become a member of the CFC, you join a fraternity of chess players, enthusiasts, teachers, and organizers from across Canada devoted to promoting chess. The CFC represents Canada to the world as a member of FIDE, the international chess body. The CFC sends teams to the Chess Olympiad, World Youth Chess Championship, and other major international events. The CFC holds national championships (including the Canadian Open, Canadian Youth Chess Championship, Canadian Closed, Canadian Women’s Championship) to showcase Canadian talent. The CFC website keeps players informed on is what happening including tournament listings, tournament reports and news items, listings of local chess clubs, and so much more. Your membership dues support all these activities to help ensure chess prospers in Canada. As a member, you are welcomed at CFC events across Canada, including national tournaments, weekend swisses, and local club tournaments.
Other benefits of membership include:
A national CFC chess rating,
Subscription to Chess Canada online magazine (watch website for 1st issue),
And discount prices at the CFC online store.
I added this to the website a few months ago when everyone was asking "what has the CFC done for me lately".
If the e-magazine is more up to date and timely than the old magazine then that would be a plus. When I received the magazines previously, they covered stuff that happened two or more months earlier. Perhaps it should focus mainly on Canadian tournaments and players as the international stuff is pretty well covered by other publications and on many websites. The ratings are usually available on the website although I have experienced that error once or twice, but I like the fact that they are updated once a week.
Roger: Are you aware that it was Ben who used the phrase "supporting Canadian chess programmes", not Bob? It is true that the CFC Membership page does say "Your membership dues support all these activities to help ensure chess prospers in Canada."; this follows a list of things which are supported.
I too received an email reminder re my CFC membership a few days ago. After some hesitation I have renewed again, for at least one more time.
you know Bob, my post was supposed to be a straight line for you to list some chess programmes supported by CFC membership dues. The only one that comes to my mind is paying FIDE dues which not everyone would agree is a good and worthy programme.
You're right, nobody likes overhead costs, especially when they amount to 100% of revenue. And such large overhead makes appealing to charity somewhat of a dicey proposition.
"- The satisfying feeling of supporting Canadian chess programmes."
perhaps he would feel better if you specified what chess programme(s) his dime was spent on. Maintaining an office and office staff doesn't count as a chess programme. Maintaining ratings is allegedly paid for through rating fees so doesn't count either.
Personnally, I dislike this appeal to charity in the membership message. I know it has been a prominent part of the message for many years but really, membership should be promising something more direct than charity.
I would not describe "Maintaining an office and paying office staff" as a chess programme, rather as administration/overhead costs. Nobody likes overhead costs, but unless someone is willing to do it all on a volunteer basis, somebody has to pay for it. :(
"- The satisfying feeling of supporting Canadian chess programmes."
perhaps he would feel better if you specified what chess programme(s) his dime was spent on. Maintaining an office and office staff doesn't count as a chess programme. Maintaining ratings is allegedly paid for through rating fees so doesn't count either.
Personnally, I dislike this appeal to charity in the membership message. I know it has been a prominent part of the message for many years but really, membership should be promising something more direct than charity.
It seems like a good idea to me. And yes, we have created a self serve tournament listing service for our TD's to use. ;)
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