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  • #16
    Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

    Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
    The CFC should have a page listing players who have been kicked out of tournaments, who have not shown up for games, and who have not paid their entry fee/CFC membership.

    It was very hard to get volunteers at the Canadian Opens in Toronto to man the phone/computer holding area. Some players needed to have their phones on for emergencies and that holding person could fetch them in a crisis. During games, players shouldn't have contact with parents with computers and coaches.

    I think tournament entries would drop with a $1,000 deposit, but worse would be a strip search and no doors on the washroom stalls.
    Dude, I can't believe Peter was serious with his 1000$ deposit. Nobody would show up, period.

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    • #17
      Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

      Thanks, Mathieu. :)
      "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
      "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
      "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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      • #18
        Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

        Originally posted by Jordan S. Berson View Post
        Tennis players are not allowed to talk to anyone except to the Chair Umpire during a match. They also get only one bathroom break during a given match for up to three minutes (correct me if I'm wrong on the time limit).

        Why not impose the same restrictions on chess players? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor. Players are not allowed to leave the playing area except to use the washroom, for which they are given a pass. The TD can designate a person to take washroom passes, escort players to the washrooms, and enforce a time limit.

        Players caught speaking or communicating with anyone during a game can be given a warning or receive a penalty for doing so.

        Jordan
        It's hard enough to find TDs. Now you want to find washroom monitors. A rather thankless job if there ever was one. These monitors are going to check and see how long players are in the washroom. What happens if someone has to go too often? For too long?

        Most tournaments are not Olympiads nor World Championship qualifiers. The level of monitoring that you are considering is way excessive and completely impractical except in the most important of tournaments.

        Comparing the Eastern Ontario Open to Wimbledon is a bit of a stretch. If I'm going to be monitored for my calls of nature I am going to want to be very well compensated.
        Last edited by Tom O'Donnell; Thursday, 25th April, 2013, 10:29 AM.
        "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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        • #19
          Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

          Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
          The CFC should have a page listing players who have been kicked out of tournaments, who have not shown up for games, and who have not paid their entry fee/CFC membership.
          That would likely lose a lot of members and players.

          It doesn't take much to lose members and players.

          The reason I completely quit playing over the board events was penalties. With my job I didn't know if I'd be free for the weekend until the day before an event started. I disliked paying late entry fees so I quit playing OTB events and only played CC.
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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          • #20
            Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

            Thanks for the feedback.

            MonRoi can be allowed in the playing hall, as a device, since it does not give analysis; still worry about checking one's past games being possible while a current game is in progress, but perhaps that option has been programmed out. :)

            If a player wishes to visit the washroom while on move, then notify the arbiter; I have seen this rule used (PanAms, for example).

            And the number of washroom breaks can be regulated, as in professional tennis. No more than two per game, per player.

            Before games start for each round, all players would turn over their electronic devices voluntarily to the arbiters, or else don't bring them to the playing hall in the first place, which would prove far simpler. If caught with a device during a game, the player is warned (second offence, forfeited), and the device is confiscated until the next day, with a fine levied. Analog watches are OK, but not electronic devices, including watches. No need to have your cell phone, personal data device, or pager with you while you are playing a tournament game. :)

            However, I once did allow Dr. Dilip Panjwani to adjourn a game when he was summoned by pager for a medical matter during a tournament game, with his opponent's approval (given). :)

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            • #21
              Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

              Originally posted by Frank Dixon View Post

              And the number of washroom breaks can be regulated, as in professional tennis. No more than two per game, per player.
              You must be joking. You are saying that over say a six-hour period people can only go to the washroom twice?
              "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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              • #22
                Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

                Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                You must be joking. You are saying that over say a six-hour period people can only go to the washroom twice?
                We've already had an incident of a player urinating over a chess board at a tournament. Do we really need more?

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                • #23
                  Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

                  Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
                  1. Have all tournament participants (or parents/guardians as required) execute indemnity agreements/waivers in favour of the CFC and the tournament organizers/directors in the event of any physical or psychological harm to a participant.

                  2. Each tournament participant must pay a $1,000 cheating security deposit to the organizers, to be returned in full at the end of the last round if the participant has not been caught cheating.

                  3. The organizers shall a) advertise that a $1,000 reward is payable to any individual or group capturing a cheater and that b) roving bands of non-playing vigilantes are welcome.
                  Hey, the Irish Rovers could make a comeback! Catch a few cheaters, then do a concert at the end of the tournament. :D

                  Actually, the Rovers would be the opening act. The main act would be Rage Against The Machine. :D
                  Only the rushing is heard...
                  Onward flies the bird.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

                    Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post

                    The main act would be Rage Against The Machine. :D
                    You mean kicking the car when it won't go? :)
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • #25
                      Re: Irish Cheating Scandal

                      The incident that happened on April 21, 2013 has been extensively covered in a recent column by Tim Harding at the Chess Café website:

                      http://www.chesscafe.com/kibitz/kibitz204.htm

                      As far as I know, no final judgement has been passed on the imbroglio.

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