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The usual practice has been (as long as I have been involved in youth chess) that if someone finished tied for third place then they can go to WYCC as one of the representatives though only first place gets the bursary. If the first place finisher does not go then second place goes as the official representative. As far as I am concerned tie breaks only come into effect if we are dealing with the additional bursary which will probably not be an issue for third place and also for the rights of first refusal on being the official Canadian representative at the other tournaments (Pan Am and North American Youth Chess Championships).
So will we have a complete list of winners (1st, 2nd, 3rd) and will the tie-break rules be publicized? Simple Yes, No please.
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The usual practice has been (as long as I have been involved in youth chess) that if someone finished tied for third place then they can go to WYCC as one of the representatives though only first place gets the bursary. If the first place finisher does not go then second place goes as the official representative. As far as I am concerned tie breaks only come into effect if we are dealing with the additional bursary which will probably not be an issue for third place and also for the rights of first refusal on being the official Canadian representative at the other tournaments (Pan Am and North American Youth Chess Championships).
Who finished third?
The website says it's Nikita and during the closing ceremony the organizers said it was David.
I was at the closing ceremonies and was not announced as the third place finisher. They announced that they made a mistake previously and Konstantin Semianiuk is actually 3rd. I was never 3rd place.
Who finished third?
The website says it's Nikita and during the closing ceremony the organizers said it was David.
I cannot find a complete list of winners (1st, 2nd & 3rd) on the official site. Please post a complete list, and the tie-break rules - the ones passed in the CFC AGM ended July 1. This is getting very very confusion. Thanks.
No need to be so condescending. I've made a mistake, and only looked at Nikita and David (who were both announced as winners).
So, let's see what we have :
1) Nikita is announced as the winner.
2) David is then announced as the winner.
3) The tie-breaks that were used (as announced during the closing ceremony) show that Konstantin should be the winner.
I imagine the real tie-breaks are not yet decided
I suggest we flip a coin. It will look less ridiculous than all this nonsense.
If I seem condescending it's because this is as nice as I can force myself to be when all of your mistakes about the CYCC are in one direction: they all make it out to be worse: overstating the entry fee, grossly underestimating the $$ collected for the CFC, saying that the $75 of CFC-allowed organizer expenses per CYCC entry is "stealing from children"...
BUT, one one point we both look like uninformed idiots.
I'm sitting with Les Bunning right now, and he tells me that the tie-break rules we followed were the ones passed in the CFC AGM which ended July 1. Those rules are not yet in the CFC Handbook. So your selective quoting of the outdated Handbook is moot, as is my quoting the Handbook in response.
It's too bad all three are not playing in the Canadian Open. You could pair them together during the first three rounds, and we would have a real playoff with "slow" time controls.
I have to apologize to anyone who read my previous post, and I promise I'll try not to believe anything I read posted this forum by Felix Dumont about the CYCC unless I have independent confirmation of it.
No need to be so condescending. I've made a mistake, and only looked at Nikita and David (who were both announced as winners).
So, let's see what we have :
1) Nikita is announced as the winner.
2) David is then announced as the winner.
3) The tie-breaks that were used (as announced during the closing ceremony) show that Konstantin should be the winner.
I imagine the real tie-breaks are not yet decided
I suggest we flip a coin. It will look less ridiculous than all this nonsense.
Last edited by Felix Dumont; Sunday, 14th July, 2013, 11:10 AM.
This is the problem. Some people told me that David Itkin won because of the number of wins. However, all the players had the same number of wins (!), so which tie-break was used? We all thought it was the progressive score, as in the handbook, which would give Nikita as the winner.
The tournament website clearly says that Nikita has the third place after tie-breaks. So, can the organizers confirm who finished third?
Oops, my mistake.
In my previous reply to this post from Felix (quoted above), I made the mistake of believing his claim that "all the players had the same number of wins (!)".
I see that Konstantin Semianiuk had 3 wins, and the other players who tied with 3.5/6 all had two wins.
If the "most wins" tie-break was used, then Konstantin should be the winner.
But, as I said before, I will check with the tournament organizers and find out which tie-break was used.
I have to apologize to anyone who read my previous post, and I promise I'll try not to believe anything I read posted this forum by Felix Dumont about the CYCC unless I have independent confirmation of it.
The line on the tournament website next to Nikita's name, identifying him as the 3rd place on tie-breaks, was added by me because just before I posted it I was told (by TD Halldor Palsson) that that is how the tie-breaks worked out.
Les Bunning told me just before the prize ceremony that Nikita did not win the third-place tie-breaks. I then spent about 10 minutes looking for Le Fong (SP?) -- the coach of Nikita's team -- to tell him this before the announcements were made, but found him only when he was kneeling next to me taking pictures at the start of the awards.
I'll check with the organizers today, and find out which tie-break they actually used. When they tell me, I'll post it.
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