Democratic Marxism

[Sid Belzberg]

NOTHING ABOUT MASK WEARING! Your mask hypothesis DESTROYED. You are a spreader of fake news!

Ahh...another pearl of wisdom from our medically ignorant brain-dead idiot. Where exactly do you think the bacteria came from? Bacterial contamination of masks is a huge problem today as it was then. Here is a NIH study showing bacterial contamination of masks as a problem, moron. In 1918, they did not have the knowledge to study this but the hypothesis is not only plausible but, based on today's studies, likely.
Please, by all means, follow the WEF-controlled MSM's dictates. Enjoy your meals of insects laced with toxic spike proteins and wear three masks around your filthy mouth and nose as. tight as possible 24 hours a day! I mean, while you are at it, since you have no problem viewing all of us as a "cancer," you could up your game and put a plastic bag over your head and do the planet a favor! After you bro!


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9883076/


Evaluation of the bacterial contamination of face masks worn by personnel in a center of COVID 19 hospitalized patients: A cross-sectional study

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• New Microbes New Infect
• v.52; 2023 Mar
• PMC9883076

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PMCID: PMC9883076
PMID: 36744172Evaluation of the bacterial contamination of face masks worn by personnel in a center of COVID 19 hospitalized patients: A cross-sectional study

Milad Yousefimashouf,^aRasoul Yousefimashouf,^b,cMohammad Sina Alikhani,^eHamid Hashemi,^dPezhman Karami,^dZahra Rahimi,^c and Seyed Mostafa Hosseini^c,d,∗
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Background


During the Coronavirus Pandemic, the use of masks has increased significantly. The lack of control on hygiene protocols and the need to use PPE properly increases the spread of bacterial infection. The purpose of this study was to investigate the degree of contamination and frequency of bacterial species isolated from surgical and N95 masks used by hospital personnel.
Methods


A total number of 175 masks were collected from staff working in Sina hospital (Hamadan province, Iran) during the first six months of 2022. The bacterial contamination of masks were evaluated and identified using biochemical kits. Antimicrobial susceptibility testing of the isolates were done using Kirby-Bauer methods and MIC were assessed for each isolate against different disinfectants (Sodium hypochlorite 5%, Hydrogen Peroxide 3%, Ethanol 70% and Deconex).
Results


Of 175 masks, 471 bacterial isolates were detected including 9 species. The most prevalent strain were Coagulase negative Staphylococcus (28%) followed by Acinetobacter (20.8%) and Pseudomonas (13.8%), while, Klebsiealla and Enterococcus were the least frequent species with the rate of 3.8% and 1.2%, respectively. The results of MIC methods indicated that all 471 strains were resistant to ehtanol70% and sensitive to hydrogen peroxide 3%. Furthermore, the mean average of Deconex inhibitory effect is lower than Sodium hypochlorite 5%.

Conclusions


According to the results of this study, there was a high prevalence of CoNS, Acinetobacter and Pseudomonas in hospital with a high resistance pattern against antibiotics especially Ampicillin and disinfectants.

[Pargat Perrer]

Ahh...another pearl of wisdom from our medically ignorant brain-dead idiot. Where exactly do you think the bacteria came from? Bacterial contamination of masks is a huge problem today as it was then. Here is a NIH study showing bacterial contamination of masks as a problem, moron. In 1918, they did not have the knowledge to study this but the hypothesis is not only plausible but, based on today's studies, likely.
Please, by all means, follow the WEF-controlled MSM's dictates. Enjoy your meals of insects laced with toxic spike proteins and wear three masks around your filthy mouth and nose as. tight as possible 24 hours a day! I mean, while you are at it, since you have no problem viewing all of us as a "cancer," you could up your game and put a plastic bag over your head and do the planet a favor! After you bro!


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9883076/


Evaluation of the bacterial contamination of face masks worn by personnel in a center of COVID 19 hospitalized patients: A cross-sectional study

• Journal List
• New Microbes New Infect
• v.52; 2023 Mar
• PMC9883076

As a library, NLM provides access to scientific literature. Inclusion in an NLM database does not imply endorsement of, or agreement with, the contents by NLM or the National Institutes of Health.
Learn more: PMC Disclaimer | PMC Copyright NoticeNew Microbes New Infect. 2023 Mar; 52: 101090.
Published online 2023 Jan 28. doi: 10.1016/j.nmni.2023.101090
PMCID: PMC9883076
PMID: 36744172Evaluation of the bacterial contamination of face masks worn by personnel in a center of COVID 19 hospitalized patients: A cross-sectional study

Milad Yousefimashouf,^aRasoul Yousefimashouf,^b,cMohammad Sina Alikhani,^eHamid Hashemi,^dPezhman Karami,^dZahra Rahimi,^c and Seyed Mostafa Hosseini^c,d,∗
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMC Disclaimer
Go to:Abstract

Background


During the Coronavirus Pandemic, the use of masks has increased significantly. The lack of control on hygiene protocols and the need to use PPE properly increases the spread of bacterial infection. The purpose of this study was to investigate the degree of contamination and frequency of bacterial species isolated from surgical and N95 masks used by hospital personnel.
Methods


A total number of 175 masks were collected from staff working in Sina hospital (Hamadan province, Iran) during the first six months of 2022. The bacterial contamination of masks were evaluated and identified using biochemical kits. Antimicrobial susceptibility testing of the isolates were done using Kirby-Bauer methods and MIC were assessed for each isolate against different disinfectants (Sodium hypochlorite 5%, Hydrogen Peroxide 3%, Ethanol 70% and Deconex).
Results


Of 175 masks, 471 bacterial isolates were detected including 9 species. The most prevalent strain were Coagulase negative Staphylococcus (28%) followed by Acinetobacter (20.8%) and Pseudomonas (13.8%), while, Klebsiealla and Enterococcus were the least frequent species with the rate of 3.8% and 1.2%, respectively. The results of MIC methods indicated that all 471 strains were resistant to ehtanol70% and sensitive to hydrogen peroxide 3%. Furthermore, the mean average of Deconex inhibitory effect is lower than Sodium hypochlorite 5%.

Conclusions


According to the results of this study, there was a high prevalence of CoNS, Acinetobacter and Pseudomonas in hospital with a high resistance pattern against antibiotics especially Ampicillin and disinfectants.

Really going desperado now, aren't you Sid?

Finding some outlier study done in a hospital setting .... where, guess what, overuse of antibiotics has resulted in antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria circulating throughout such hospitals. The study even mentions that the strains are antibiotic-resistant.

So yeah, there's antibiotic-resistant bacteria on the masks because in such a hospital, such bacteria can multiply unrestricted because they are resistant to everything. So OF COURSE the masks will show such bacteria! DUH!

My own mother died from antibiotic-resistant bacteria ("superbug") while she was in hospital for hip surgery. It's a big problem in hospitals throughout the world because they use antibiotics to extreme measures and the bacteria IN THE HOSPITALS have grown resistant to everything. Talk about population reduction, these superbugs are escaping the hospitals and will in the near future cause mass deaths as has been warned about for decades.


Like I said, Sid, do you really want to continue losing like this?

Your outlier study from a hospital with superbugs everywhere proves NOTHING. Your case for bacterial pneumonia BACKFIRED, not caused AT ALL by masks! You are batting .000 .

Just go to your survival bunker and do some tequila shots and lick your wounds, you egotistical blowhard. You rail against others for using tricks and then turn around and use the same tricks yourself and think you can get away with it. I'm happy to be of service to CT readers and show them just how hypocritical you are. In addition to hijacking this thread as soon as I brought up what I will keep mentioning again and again to embarrass you and Dilip, the fact that the world's richest billionaires want governments to tax them more!

The world's richest billionaires want governments to tax them more!
The world's richest billionaires want governments to tax them more!
The world's richest billionaires want governments to tax them more!

[Sid Belzberg]

Like I said, Sid, do you really want to continue losing like this
Your outlier study from a hospital with superbugs everywhere proves NOTHING. Your case for bacterial pneumonia BACKFIRED, not caused AT ALL by masks! You are batting .000 .

Outlier study????? And so says the brain-dead idiot that considers the Cochrane database a "rightwing conspiracy theory," and Nature magazine is also a dubious publication? Of course, you are the one who says you have no problem with viewing "mankind as cancer." Such a great service you are providing to CTers.with these statements.!
As I said, up your game and wear a plastic bag tightly over your face and nose. Why stop at 25000 PPM of CO2 (5000 PPM is considered toxic) when wearing a mask after five minutes! Please do the world a favor! After you bro!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-15409-x


Bacterial and fungal isolation from face masks under the COVID-19 pandemic

• Ah-Mee Park,
• Sundar Khadka,
• Fumitaka Sato,
• Seiichi Omura,
• Mitsugu Fujita,
• Kazuki Hashiwaki &
• Ikuo Tsunoda

Scientific Reports volume 12, Article number: 11361 (2022) Cite this article

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Abstract


The COVID-19 pandemic has led people to wear face masks daily in public. Although the effectiveness of face masks against viral transmission has been extensively studied, there have been few reports on potential hygiene issues due to bacteria and fungi attached to the face masks. We aimed to (1) quantify and identify the bacteria and fungi attaching to the masks, and (2) investigate whether the mask-attached microbes could be associated with the types and usage of the masks and individual lifestyles. We surveyed 109 volunteers on their mask usage and lifestyles, and cultured bacteria and fungi from either the face-side or outer-side of their masks. The bacterial colony numbers were greater on the face-side than the outer-side; the fungal colony numbers were fewer on the face-side than the outer-side. A longer mask usage significantly increased the fungal colony numbers but not the bacterial colony numbers. Although most identified microbes were non-pathogenic in humans; Staphylococcus epidermidis, Staphylococcus aureus, and Cladosporium, we found several pathogenic microbes; Bacillus cereus, Staphylococcus saprophyticus, Aspergillus, and Microsporum. We also found no associations of mask-attached microbes with the transportation methods or gargling. We propose that immunocompromised people should avoid repeated use of masks to prevent microbial infection.
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Article Open access15 March 2021Filtration efficiency of medical and community face masks using viral and bacterial bioaerosols

Article Open access02 May 2023Development of a novel self-sanitizing mask prototype to combat the spread of infectious disease and reduce unnecessary waste

Article Open access14 September 2021Introduction


The rapid global spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and the resulting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic have led to urgent efforts to prevent the viral transmission. The most traditional and reasonable method to prevent respiratory infections is to wear face masks; several research groups have demonstrated its effectiveness against the respiratory viral transmission before the COVID-19 pandemic^1,2. During the COVID-19 pandemic, increasing lines of evidence have supported the effectiveness of wearing face masks against SARS-CoV-2 and the droplets^3,4. However, the World Health Organization (WHO) claims that face masks are effective only when used with hand hygiene, the proper use, and disposal of masks⁵.

Three types of face masks are commercially available for daily lives in Japan: (1) non-woven, (2) polyurethane, and (3) gauze or cloth masks (Fig. 1a,b). Non-woven masks are commonly used worldwide to prevent droplet infections by most respiratory microbes, including SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 1c). Polyurethane masks have been used to protect against hay fever, particularly in Asian countries. Since polyurethane masks are easy to breathe and washable, the masks have become popular and have been reused several times during the COVID-19 pandemic. Although gauze masks are less popular, the masks can be washed, reused, and effectively prevent infections. Thus, the Japanese government distributed gauze masks to all citizens because of the shortage of non-woven masks during the early stage of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Figure 1
Face mask types and the sizes of microbes. (a) Macroscopic and microscopic images of three different types of face masks that are commercially available. Non-woven masks have three layers: the pore size of the outer and inner layers are identical (50–150 µm); the pore size of the middle layer (considered as a filter) is smaller (5–30 µm). Microscopic images were taken by the Olympus Microscope CX33 with the CCD Camera DP22 (bar = 500 µm). (b) Pore size, thickness, layer, and intended use of three mask types. The pore size of face masks from manufacturers’ instruction was confirmed using the microscopic images shown in (a) (right panels). (c) The standard size of microbes and particles (left panel) and their comparisons with the pore size (5 µm) of the middle filter of non-woven masks (right schema).

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Although the effectiveness of face masks against viral transmission has been extensively studied^3,4, the hygiene issues in mask usage remain unclear. The standard mask usage is disposable non-woven masks. In some cases, however, people may use non-woven masks repeatedly or use different types of masks in different situations depending on their socioeconomic cultures. For example, in Japan, the short supply of non-woven masks led to the repeated use of disposable non-woven masks and the use of other types of face masks, such as handmade masks and polyurethane masks⁶. Even after the shortage of mask supply has been resolved, some people have used disposable non-woven masks repeatedly or other types of face masks.

[Bob Armstrong]

Democracy & Diversity

Democratic Marxism Discussion Paper # 4

Note: cyclically re-posted for the benefit of new DMGI members, DM-G viewers, and DMGF members/viewers.


The Gamble

Democratic Marxism sets out a platform of self-governance and economics. And it sets up a fundamental structure within which this platform can be implemented. But what happens when ideology meets the local democracy of the Local Political Unit (LPU)?

The problem old-style Communism faced was the revolt of many (Majority?) electors to many of the Communist platforms. Communism's answer? Use the gun; trample human rights of the citizens; suppress all opposition – then implement the ideology & platform without any public opposition. Did it really work?? The jury is still out on Chinese Communism, but it has all the negative features that necessitate its rejection.

What will be Democratic Marxism's answer when an LPU wants to go its own way, differently somehow, democratically? The problem is that DM proudly declares that the LPU's have all power! They have the real control! Democratic Marxism's Global Model LPU can be tweaked by any LPU, or even outright rejected for itself!

This is where Democratic Marxism has to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. It is committed first to “democratic process” and “local power”.

Human society is governed by laws. Laws are passed by the governing authority, whether it be by direct democracy (Citizen voting), or, by the representation circle to which the electors have given power over their lives. And if the system is working, and Dem. Marxism has it right, each LPU, hopefully, will implement laws modelled after the proposals of the Democratic Marxist Vetting Committee (DMVC). But should an LPU, within its borders, decide to revert to Wildwest Capitalism, this will be legal........but, hopefully, the effect of such rogue actions will be limited and minimized and restrained by the general structural governing context within which every LPU exists. Diversity will definitely be the order of the day in a true democracy – and maybe one should support the saying used financially: There is safety in diversity.

A Suitable Test Nation for DM

The DMVC has targeted Canada for the first partisan Democratic Marxist Party......and it will be provincial.

The reason is the possibility of fundamental societal structure change within the existing Canadian Constitutional documents. Canada presents the possibility because constitutionally, municipalities are the “creatures” of a province. It is therefore open to a Canadian province to realign local government as currently existing, into the DM LPU structure. The province also has, constitutionally, full jurisdiction over certain civil powers, as against the federal government (Eg. Health Care, Education, etc.). So.....IF it was determined to do it........any Canadian province could “down-load” all of its powers to the LPU's. Thereafter it would identify itself in two ways:

1. as the hand-maiden of the LPU's, while remaining, as a provincial representative circle of the provincial electors;
2. as the traditional province with which the federal government must deal within the existing constitutional structure of Canada.
   
   The federal government may object to the provincial restructuring, but will be toothless....it is within the provincial power of a Canadian province to do this. And the federal government will have to continue to deal with that province as the valid “Provincial Government”.
   
   Commencement of Partisan Democratic Marxism in Canada

The DMVC will receive applications from those wishing to apply for provincial party status as: The Democratic Marxist Party of (Province). For those ideologically acceptable, the DMVC will grant a formal “Endorsement” - the approval of the ginger group's use of the name.

Thereafter, the provincial party will develop a provincial DM platform suitable to their province, in concert with the DMVC.

Should the Provincial Party at any time stray from adhering to fundamental DM principles/platforms, it risks the DMVC withdrawing the “Endorsement”, and disowning the Provincial Party. Of course, the DMVC may still consider itself an ally of the rogue party, and see it as still the best provincial option, and thus continue to work with the provincial party, should it so desire.


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[Sid Belzberg]

Democracy & Diversity

Democratic Marxism Discussion Paper # 4

Note: cyclically re-posted for the benefit of new DMGI members, DM-G viewers, and DMGF members/viewers.


The Gamble

Democratic Marxism sets out a platform of self-governance and economics. And it sets up a fundamental structure within which this platform can be implemented. But what happens when ideology meets the local democracy of the Local Political Unit (LPU)?

The problem old-style Communism faced was the revolt of many (Majority?) electors to many of the Communist platforms. Communism's answer? Use the gun; trample human rights of the citizens; suppress all opposition – then implement the ideology & platform without any public opposition. Did it really work?? The jury is still out on Chinese Communism, but it has all the negative features that necessitate its rejection.

What will be Democratic Marxism's answer when an LPU wants to go its own way, differently somehow, democratically? The problem is that DM proudly declares that the LPU's have all power! They have the real control! Democratic Marxism's Global Model LPU can be tweaked by any LPU, or even outright rejected for itself!

This is where Democratic Marxism has to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. It is committed first to “democratic process” and “local power”.

Human society is governed by laws. Laws are passed by the governing authority, whether it be by direct democracy (Citizen voting), or, by the representation circle to which the electors have given power over their lives. And if the system is working, and Dem. Marxism has it right, each LPU, hopefully, will implement laws modelled after the proposals of the Democratic Marxist Vetting Committee (DMVC). But should an LPU, within its borders, decide to revert to Wildwest Capitalism, this will be legal........but, hopefully, the effect of such rogue actions will be limited and minimized and restrained by the general structural governing context within which every LPU exists. Diversity will definitely be the order of the day in a true democracy – and maybe one should support the saying used financially: There is safety in diversity.

A Suitable Test Nation for DM

The DMVC has targeted Canada for the first partisan Democratic Marxist Party......and it will be provincial.

The reason is the possibility of fundamental societal structure change within the existing Canadian Constitutional documents. Canada presents the possibility because constitutionally, municipalities are the “creatures” of a province. It is therefore open to a Canadian province to realign local government as currently existing, into the DM LPU structure. The province also has, constitutionally, full jurisdiction over certain civil powers, as against the federal government (Eg. Health Care, Education, etc.). So.....IF it was determined to do it........any Canadian province could “down-load” all of its powers to the LPU's. Thereafter it would identify itself in two ways:

1. as the hand-maiden of the LPU's, while remaining, as a provincial representative circle of the provincial electors;
2. as the traditional province with which the federal government must deal within the existing constitutional structure of Canada.
   
   The federal government may object to the provincial restructuring, but will be toothless....it is within the provincial power of a Canadian province to do this. And the federal government will have to continue to deal with that province as the valid “Provincial Government”.
   
   Commencement of Partisan Democratic Marxism in Canada

The DMVC will receive applications from those wishing to apply for provincial party status as: The Democratic Marxist Party of (Province). For those ideologically acceptable, the DMVC will grant a formal “Endorsement” - the approval of the ginger group's use of the name.

Thereafter, the provincial party will develop a provincial DM platform suitable to their province, in concert with the DMVC.

Should the Provincial Party at any time stray from adhering to fundamental DM principles/platforms, it risks the DMVC withdrawing the “Endorsement”, and disowning the Provincial Party. Of course, the DMVC may still consider itself an ally of the rogue party, and see it as still the best provincial option, and thus continue to work with the provincial party, should it so desire.


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A province in Canada cannot declare a designated geographic area within its boundaries that is exempt from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Charter is an integral part of the Canadian Constitution and applies uniformly across all provinces and territories in Canada, ensuring that fundamental rights and freedoms are protected consistently nationwide.

The Charter binds all levels of government in Canada, including federal, provincial, and municipal. This means that laws or policies enacted at any level of government must comply with the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Charter. If a provincial government attempted to create a geographic area exempt from the Charter, such an action would almost certainly be challenged and overturned in court, as it would violate the principles of the Constitution.

The uniform application of the Charter across Canada is fundamental to its role in protecting the rights and freedoms of all Canadians, regardless of where they live. Any attempt by a province to exempt a geographic area from the Charter would be inconsistent with the constitutional framework of Canada.

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Sid:

I agree.

Let me re-read this paper to ascertain where it does what you claim.

Devolving powers from the Province to the LPU is not in itself a breach of the Charter of Rights & Freedoms, as long as the Province doesn't seek to dissolve itself, I would think.

But, according to the Supreme Court decision on the last Quebec Independence Referendum, it would appear that a Province can ditch the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms by separating and becoming its own country.

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

[Bob Armstrong]

Democratic Marxism

(Started: 24/1/3)




Weekly Overview

Notes:

1.The “Weekly Overview” of the topic is posted for the benefit of new members who may have come in between the “Weekly Overviews”. It provides an executive summary of the issue for new viewers.

1. The Stats of participation are important to allow all to determine the extent of continuing interest.
2. For thread originators/responders, they are important to see if the interest no longer warrants the labour. Or alternatively, they show that those of us discussing it are drawing in more participants, because they have begun to see the importance of our topic.

A. Statistics

Week # 4 (24/1/22 – 28 [7 days])

(Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)

A. Weekly Stats:
.....................................................2024 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(4 wks.)

…49........................29.......................29


................................................2024 Average

Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day

Responses/Day....Resp./Day.......(4 wks.).

........5.......................3.......................3


B. Analysis of Last Week's Stats

Last week's stats are showing a significant rise from when the thread started. There is growing interest in CT'ers for learning something about the political system known as “Democratic Marxism”!

Goal of this Thread

• To make clear what Democratic Marxism is, and what it is not (Old-style USSR Communism)
• To provide materials that help CT'ers analyze the pluses and minuses of DM.

Additional Notes:

1. The goal of this thread is not to try to beat opposing views into oblivion. Political economy spans the spectrum. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide among the many competing political philosophies.

2. I, Bob A, personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I may sometimes fall short on this. So it is necessary that a number of other CT'ers post responses here somewhat regularly as well.


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[Bob Armstrong]

Allegation in Sid's Post # 80 above re Democratic Marxism in Canada (See my Post # 79 - DM Discussion Paper # 4)

That DM would fail to respect and seek the ouster of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

I have re-read the article and in no way in Canada would DM seek to oust the jurisdiction of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The Generally Accepted List of Statements (Post # 1) declares in Statement # 2:

"Statement # 2

Democratic Marxism respects:

a. Human Rights

b. Constitutional Rights

c. Worker's Rights

d. Rights accorded by Laws"

The Working Paper # 4 goes on to state:

"It [Democratic Marxism] is committed first to “democratic process” and “local power”."

The comments on the possibility of a "rogue" LPU do not refer to any ouster of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Should any LPU attempt this, they would be subject to a court action, as now, alleging unconstitutional illegality within Canada.

Further the paper acknowledges that any provincial restructuring in Ontario will be done in compliance with the Constitutional system in Canada.

Bob A (DMPO Coordinator/Party Leader//Inactive Lawyer of the Law Society of Ontario)

[Sid Belzberg]

Allegation in Sid's Post # 80 above re Democratic Marxism in Canada (See my Post # 79 - DM Discussion Paper # 4)

That DM would fail to respect and seek the ouster of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

I have re-read the article and in no way in Canada would DM seek to oust the jurisdiction of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The Generally Accepted List of Statements (Post # 1) declares in Statement # 2:

"Statement # 2

Democratic Marxism respects:

a. Human Rights

b. Constitutional Rights

c. Worker's Rights

d. Rights accorded by Laws"

The Working Paper # 4 goes on to state:

"It [Democratic Marxism] is committed first to “democratic process” and “local power”."

The comments on the possibility of a "rogue" LPU do not refer to any ouster of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Should any LPU attempt this, they would be subject to a court action, as now, alleging unconstitutional illegality within Canada.

Further the paper acknowledges that any provincial restructuring in Ontario will be done in compliance with the Constitutional system in Canada.

Bob A (DMPO Coordinator/Party Leader//Inactive Lawyer of the Law Society of Ontario)

The reason is the possibility of fundamental societal structure change within the existing Canadian Constitutional documents. Canada presents the possibility because constitutionally, municipalities are the “creatures” of a province. It is therefore open to a Canadian province to realign local government as currently existing, into the DM LPU structure.

Backpedaling, are we?

May I remind you that in your Great Reset thread, when discussing Marx's four-word summary of communism, "abolition of private property," you spoke
of a "transition to this". No way can this happen without subverting Article 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights.

[Bob Armstrong]

Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Assuming that Sid (Post # 84 above) is saying that this section protects right to private property (He mentions the DM position of abolition of bourgeois property), he is wrong in saying DM breaches Section 7.

The transition from Capitalism to Democratic Marxism will involve government expropriation, the same as is now practised by capitalist governments the world over.....no breach of Section 7 here!

Bob A (DMPO Coordinator/Party Leader//Inactive lawyer with the Law Society of Ontario)

[Dilip Panjwani]

Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Assuming that Sid (Post # 84 above) is saying that this section protects right to private property (He mentions the DM position of abolition of bourgeois property), he is wrong in saying DM breaches Section 7.

The transition from Capitalism to Democratic Marxism will involve government expropriation, the same as is now practised by capitalist governments the world over.....no breach of Section 7 here!

Bob A (DMPO Coordinator/Party Leader//Inactive lawyer with the Law Society of Ontario)

Just by using a fancy word for 'stealing', you cannot deprive Canadians of their rights, Mr. Lawyer! Any government which practices expropriation without appropriate compensation, is a thief... and you are proud to legitimize theft, Bob A!! The true colors of DM are showing...

[Sid Belzberg]

Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Assuming that Sid (Post # 84 above) is saying that this section protects right to private property (He mentions the DM position of abolition of bourgeois property), he is wrong in saying DM breaches Section 7.

The transition from Capitalism to Democratic Marxism will involve government expropriation, the same as is now practised by capitalist governments the world over.....no breach of Section 7 here!

Bob A (DMPO Coordinator/Party Leader//Inactive lawyer with the Law Society of Ontario)

While Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is primarily concerned with protection against physical or legal harm by the state, its reference to 'security of the person' might be broadly interpreted in contexts involving severe psychological and emotional impact. Consider, for instance, a situation where government policy results in the expropriation of a business that is not merely a source of income but also central to an individual's identity and purpose. Such an action transcends mere financial loss, profoundly affecting the individual's psychological and emotional well-being.

In scenarios where the loss of a business due to government action leads to severe mental distress for the owner, it could be argued that this constitutes an infringement on their 'security of the person.' The impact here is not just economical but deeply personal, striking at the core of their identity and sense of self.

This is not a hypothetical scenario. My family endured a similar situation when our business, which employed skilled cabinet makers, was expropriated by the city of Calgary to build a convention center. Despite financial compensation, the loss had a devastating impact on my father's emotional well-being. This personal experience illustrates how the destruction of a business can equate to the destruction of a life's work and identity.

Under the system you advocate, targeting entrepreneurs labeled as 'Bourgeois' for their profit-making, particularly those employing others, is akin to the experience my family had. However, it potentially goes even further, violating Section 15 of the Charter, which mandates equality before and under the law and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination. Unlike the case with my father, who had options to relocate and rebuild, your proposed system seems to offer no such recourse.

This approach not only overlooks but actively causes the destruction of the very essence of people's lives — something no amount of money can compensate for. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was established to protect citizens from such profound violations. Any government policy that significantly interferes with personal livelihoods and identities should be carefully evaluated for its human impact, respecting legal, financial, and, crucially, personal and emotional aspects. This respect for the multi-dimensional nature of human rights and dignity is precisely why the Charter exists, and any system that seeks to undermine these protections is, in my view, inherently flawed and ethically questionable.

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Dilip:

I did not say expropriation without compensation, which is nationalization. Expropriation with compensation is a time-honoured capitalist government action. I made clear that it was this kind of expropriation. I wish you would read carefully, then your comments would not be irrelevant or just wrong.

No matter how many times you say it, "expropriation with compensation" is NOT "theft" or "stealing".

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, enforced by the courts, will, as now, prohibit the DM Government from over-reaching.

Bob A

[Dilip Panjwani]

Hi Dilip:

I did not say expropriation without compensation, which is nationalization. Expropriation with compensation is a time-honoured capitalist government action. I made clear that it was this kind of expropriation. I wish you would read carefully, then your comments would not be irrelevant or just wrong.

No matter how many times you say it, "expropriation with compensation" is NOT "theft" or "stealing".

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, enforced by the courts, will, as now, prohibit the DM Government from over-reaching.

Bob A

The comments you refer to were neither irrelevant nor wrong. You are sadly mistaken if you think a DM government would be able to appropriately compensate everyone for their private property... they would have to just steal it from them... God forbid....

[Dilip Panjwani]

Other examples of 'stealing' by the government:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fbi-vi...ls-court-finds

https://www.foxnews.com/us/legal-the...ing-cash-trial

Using fancy terms like 'asset forfeiture' and 'expropriation' (the latter often occurs without appropriate compensation), or for that matter 'progressive taxation', does not make 'legal theft' any better...