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  • #46
    Stalled Expectations: Canadian Income Distribution

    Globe and Mail On-line - Today, Sun., Nov. 10 - another in their series about the Wealth Paradox

    Every generation expects to achieve more than the one that came before it and for many years, those expectations came true. But a disquieting trend has emerged over the past two decades, as the gap between the richest Canadians and the rest has grown, faster here than in all but one other OECD country, the United States. While inequality is less pronounced in Canada than the U.S., it is headed in the same direction, by several key measures.

    The growth in inequality is being driven by an accumulation of wealth among the very top income earners, while the middle class lower income earners continue to stagnate. The richest 1 per cent earned 10.6 per cent of Canada’s income in 2012, down slightly from the pre-recession peak of more than 12 per cent, but up sharply from 7.1 per cent in 1982. The concentration of wealth in this country is also rising: The top 20 per cent control 70 per cent of net worth.

    How did this happen? A host of factors are at work, including technological change, the shift of manufacturing and other low-skill jobs to the developing world, the decline of unionization, a surge in self-employment and a proliferation of performance-based incentives for top executives. And the great equalizers – universal health care, education, pensions – are under threat, as cash-strapped governments look to trim budgets.

    Canada is facing a Wealth Paradox. As wealth continues to grow at the top, the economic health of the whole grows poorer. Already, mobility between income groups has slowed – it is much harder to get ahead than it used to be. If no action is taken, the Canadian dream itself may be in peril. Read more in a full story by Barrie McKenna.

    How income inequality affects you

    Canadians face increasingly higher odds of remaining stuck in a tax bracket, as high-earners have seen accelerated income growth, median incomes have stagnated and mobility between income groups has slowed. Day to day, that means many Canadians won’t be able to enjoy the basic necessities and pleasures we strive for in life.

    For full article, see Website: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...231/?section=4

    Bob A

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    • #47
      Re: Stalled Expectations: Canadian Income Distribution

      Bob, I thought those articles are copyrighted with all rights reserved. I must be silly to be paying the Globe and Mail for a Subscription when I can read the articles here.

      I'm sure you know who owns the Globe and Mail newspaper from which you are quoting so freely and you must get pleasure that they care about you and your income. I think you're being had.

      Out of curiosity, since you normally sound so dissatisfied with your situation, how much is enough? You have to tell us how much is enough so we have some idea what you are advocating. Also if we get enough in the weird world of socialism.
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #48
        Re: Stalled Expectations: Canadian Income Distribution

        Hi Gary:

        Information is the point - nice to see the Globe presenting the facts, despite their own ideology - more credit to them.

        Bob A

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        • #49
          Re: Stalled Expectations: Canadian Income Distribution

          Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
          Hi Gary:

          Information is the point - nice to see the Globe presenting the facts, despite their own ideology - more credit to them.

          Bob A
          Hi Bob,

          So tell us. How much is enough? You have to tell us instead of feeding us the kind of pablum that's in your reply to me, which I've quoted.

          It's one thing to watch you call for MORE, MORE, MORE, but you won't quantify what you consider to be enough. Is it possibly there is no amount of money which is enough? It's always more.

          Is there some point at which a person should be satisfied with their lot in life? Or should it always be more?
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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          • #50
            The Globe And Mail Ideology

            Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
            Hi Gary:

            Information is the point - nice to see the Globe presenting the facts, despite their own ideology - more credit to them.

            Bob A
            I would like to hear your opinion on what the G&M ideology is!

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            • #51
              The Most Vulnerable: Canadian Income Distribution

              A society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable.

              Bob A

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              • #52
                Re: The Globe And Mail Ideology

                Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
                I would like to hear your opinion on what the G&M ideology is!
                It is in my view, somewhat in the centre right. It espouses generally the positions of big business, and more conservative (politically) positions on societal issues.

                Having said that, I think the paper is of the highest quality, and I commend it for its Wealth Paradox series.

                Bob A

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                • #53
                  The Globe And Mail Ideology

                  Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                  It is in my view, somewhat in the centre right. It espouses generally the positions of big business, and more conservative (politically) positions on societal issues.

                  Having said that, I think the paper is of the highest quality, and I commend it for its Wealth Paradox series.

                  Bob A
                  I would enjoy hearing what others think the G&M ideology is!

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                  • #54
                    Re: The Most Vulnerable: Canadian Income Distribution

                    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                    A society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable.

                    Bob A
                    I see you can't tell us how much is enough. Probably the only goal is to see the breakdown of the system. Why else would you be avoiding and ducking my questions?

                    Now you bring up the most vulnerable. Define the most vulnerable in Ontario. This should be easy for you because you live in Ontario.

                    There's been a liberal government in Ontario for a decade. Now it's more like a Liberal and NDP coalition as the NDP is heartily supporting the Liberals and keeping them in power. What are the left wingers doing for what you call the most vulnerable?

                    The Liberals blew a billion dollars on cancelled gas plants and the NDP is cheerfully keeping them in power.

                    If you don't start answering questions regarding your statements you will not be taken seriously. So, define those to whom you refer to in your statement as the "most vulnerable".
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • #55
                      Re: The Most Vulnerable: Canadian Income Distribution

                      Bob A., interesting article, thanks for posting it.
                      It is nice to see the mainstream media finally tackling this important issue.
                      Anyhow, I am a little puzzled about navigating their website.
                      Is this a 2 week article, with pieces added daily. They claim the last update was 9:30am today, but everything appears as it was yesterday, I think?

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                      • #56
                        Re: The Most Vulnerable: Canadian Income Distribution

                        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                        ...Anyhow, I am a little puzzled about navigating their website.
                        Is this a 2 week article, with pieces added daily. They claim the last update was 9:30am today, but everything appears as it was yesterday, I think?
                        Hi Bob G:

                        Not sure how it is parcelled. Only know that Wealth Paradox is apparently a multi-part series they are publishing.

                        Bob A

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                        • #57
                          Re: The Most Vulnerable: Canadian Income Distribution

                          Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                          Bob A., interesting article, thanks for posting it.
                          It is nice to see the mainstream media finally tackling this important issue.
                          Anyhow, I am a little puzzled about navigating their website.
                          Is this a 2 week article, with pieces added daily. They claim the last update was 9:30am today, but everything appears as it was yesterday, I think?
                          As a G & M subscriber I get everything on the site. If you don't subscribe you only get what's put there for the masses, so to speak. They have a pay wall. I'm not sure what part you get but would assume a non subscriber would be limited in navigating the site.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • #58
                            Re: Stalled Expectations: Canadian Income Distribution

                            Here is the next instalment today on the Globe and Mail On-line, concerning Canadian Income Disparity: The Wealth Paradox

                            http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ws/?click=ottl

                            Bob A

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                            • #59
                              Re: Canadian Income Distribution

                              Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                              From CBC.ca, Sept. 11/13:

                              Wealthiest 1% earn 10 times more than average Canadian

                              The richest of the rich in Canada earn about 10 times more than the average Canadian income of $38,700 and are generally married, middle-aged, white men, the final release of data from the National Household Survey shows.

                              Is this a problem? If so, why?

                              Bob A

                              P.S. I assume that the $ 38,700 is a single individual income. If so, I am surprised that it is this high these days. It seems to me that many in the 25-40 year olds range, are having difficulty finding decent paying full-time jobs, and that many are underemployed (many with first University degrees), many working more than one low-paying part-time job just to survive. Is anyone else surprised by the individual average?
                              Globe and Mail Online today:

                              Which solution would best reduce the effects of income inequality in Canada? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...n=6&click=ottl

                              Bob A

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                              • #60
                                Re: Canadian Income Distribution

                                I voted to do nothing. I would do something, however. I would eliminate income taxes and capital gains taxes and replace all of them with sales taxes. A person derives no benefit from having currency until they spend it; others derive benefit from borrowing the currency and using it for consumption, investment, etc. If I earn money, put it in the bank, then you borrow it and buy a car with it, who benefited? By taxing production we penalize production. No, that's stupid, instead penalize consumption.

                                A sliding sales tax would be reasonable. So, for example, if I buy an apple the tax is very low (say 1%), an apple pie somewhat higher (say 10%) and an Apple IPod much higher still (say 30%). Since super-rich people are going to have more money to spend, and are more likely to spend it on things like yachts and luxury cars, then tax those things much higher (even 50% or more).
                                "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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