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Borislav Ivanov, suspected of cheating at chess and then, retiring from the game, is back playing.
On the English Chess Forum Chris Rice says:
Rd 4 in the Navalmoral de la Mata tournament in Spain and after beating the Argentinian GM Daniel Campora in Rd 3 Borislav Ivanov is leading on 3/3 and up next he is Black v Armenian GM Karen Grigoryan (2604). This will be a severe test for his new socks.
...and now he's beaten Grigoryan to reach 4/4. I'm amazed that first, he was allowed to compete, second, that there hasn't been a mass refusal to play him, and most of all, third, that he seems to have worked out a new method which doesn't involve his shoes.
At least, I assume that somebody at the tournament has inspected his feet by now.
The round 3 game against Campora is online (sorry my IT skills are not up to printing it out). I don't know how it correlates with Houdini/Stockfish, but it's a smooth, controlled win where the GM looks outclassed:
Rd 4 in the Navalmoral de la Mata tournament in Spain and after beating the Argentinian GM Daniel Campora in Rd 3 Borislav Ivanov is leading on 3/3 and up next he is Black v Armenian GM Karen Grigoryan (2604). This will be a severe test for his new socks.
Wayne, I don't get it. Did his opponent lose on time?
Anyhow, I looked at the game in questions. I thought the position after move 22 looked important so I looked at it with Stockfish. Stockfish gives 23. fxe4 with a comfortable game and a +1.65 at 24 plies. Ivanov played the rather limp 23. Nf2 which merely kept the game about level.
You have to understand black has an open game and appears to be trying to blow white out of the game while white's position looks cramped. As black I'd kind of like to protect my king better than is being done in that game.
Chess is a head game and it seems to me his opponents are "psyched out" at the thought of having to play him. So the opponents play like Simul Fodder.
Wayne, I don't get it. Did his opponent lose on time?
Anyhow, I looked at the game in questions. I thought the position after move 22 looked important so I looked at it with Stockfish. Stockfish gives 23. fxe4 with a comfortable game and a +1.65 at 24 plies. Ivanov played the rather limp 23. Nf2 which merely kept the game about level.
You have to understand black has an open game and appears to be trying to blow white out of the game while white's position looks cramped. As black I'd kind of like to protect my king better than is being done in that game.
Chess is a head game and it seems to me his opponents are "psyched out" at the thought of having to play him. So the opponents play like Simul Fodder.
Wayne's post did mention that this is rapid play, so losing on time is a distinct possibility. I followed the links and couldn't find an exact spec as to the time controls, i.e. was there a time increment? Also, I'm left wondering about the ratings posted, are they rapid play ratings? Are these GMs rapid play GMs and not regular time control GMs? Or is there even such a distinction with respect to the GM title?
It could be Ivanov played 23.Nf2 simply to exacerbate Black's time situation. Sometimes shorter time controls lead to play that is all about making someone run out of time, not about playing the objective best move.
It is great to see Ivanov back playing. The more he plays, the worse it looks for those who have already dismissed him for cheating, including our own moderator. But I am curious as to why he seems to prefer rapid play. If it is true that he spent 3 months cut off totally from all social ties and doing nothing but playing against Houdini / Rybka / Stockfish, perhaps he did that only in rapid play time control. That would make sense with respect to getting in the most games.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
There have been confused reports coming in today that Ivanov has left the tournament after being searched. Supposedly, he demanded his entry fee back and was paid it.
There are a lot of emotional statements and misinformation, and it is hard to know what to believe. As Chris Rice just said, “As always with Ivanov, chaos reigns".
Try the following link, the Spanish ChessTalk, and google translate:
It could be Ivanov played 23.Nf2 simply to exacerbate Black's time situation. Sometimes shorter time controls lead to play that is all about making someone run out of time, not about playing the objective best move.
I ran the position on Houdini as well. Same result. The computer move would likely take much longer for a person to calculate than what was played. The computer move is better than Nf2, the actual move, in my opinion.
Plug pulled by organizers only after Sixth round opponent requested Ivanov be searched. Took his shirt off in a Croatian tournament but this time again refuses to take-off his shoes..
A lot of discussion about being able to deny him entry into a tournament if FIDE has not banned him..
Mario
I don't know why people still play him. Anyone who is paired with him should protest and forfeit their game and demand the entree fee back from the tournament organizer. There's no reason why he's still allowed to play in any tournament whatsoever.
I don't know why people still play him. Anyone who is paired with him should protest and forfeit their game and demand the entree fee back from the tournament organizer. There's no reason why he's still allowed to play in any tournament whatsoever.
That could backfire with players not getting their entry fee back, and losing rating points unnecessarily. If the searches are complaint driven (where is the written policy on cheating? That is likely part of the problem.) then Ivanov's opponents need to do whatever it takes to compel the organizers to do a search of both players. Ivanov declines when it comes to his "smelly" shoes, and the players can go on with their tourney without Borislav.
Maybe it's just wimpy tournament organizers who would rather burden the players with the responsibility of policing their own (and unwilling to risk any litigation).
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
I don't know what good getting the police involved would have done. There is nothing "illegal" about cheating at chess (or any other game) as far as the police are concerned. The police have never been involved in any other sports cheating/drug scandals.
I don't know what good getting the police involved would have done. There is nothing "illegal" about cheating at chess (or any other game) as far as the police are concerned. The police have never been involved in any other sports cheating/drug scandals.
That's a good observation. I did a quick search, however, and some Indian cricketers have been arrested in some game-fixing allegations.
Tony Tascona (1926-2006), the late sculptor and artist from Winnipeg, once told me that in the old days, ice hockey fights would be broken up by the police. The offending players would spend the night in jail. Too bad they don't do that now.
Perhaps the sophisticated level of cheating is creating the need for police involvement. The legal angle would be fraud or something like that.
This whole thing is getting very weird. Why these tournament organizers aren't simply banning Ivanov, if they are genuinely of the opinion that he is cheating, is beyond me. Gross incompetence? Covering up their own, nefarious activitities? Burdening the players with the consequences of playing with a cheater is very short-sighted and does harm to chess. Ivanov's opponents, left to their own devices, may have never faced this situation with a (alleged) cheater given the blessing to play by tournament organizers and may be very confused and angry, not just with Ivanov but with being put in this situation in the first place. Selfish people destroy everything.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Monday, 9 December, 2013, 01:44 PM.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
I don't know what good getting the police involved would have done. There is nothing "illegal" about cheating at chess (or any other game) as far as the police are concerned. The police have never been involved in any other sports cheating/drug scandals.
Had that happened in Ontario and the player taken off his clothes because he felt intimidated, he might well wish to call the police.
He might also want to go after the organizers, the owner of the building and the sponsors. Also complain to the human rights.
I don't know the laws in Spain so maybe what they did there is standard under their laws.
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