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Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction (not a climate change thread)
What do you think of speculation (a websearch will confirm) that a possible polar shift could be responsble for animal/bee die offs and any genuine climate change?
Hi Kevin:
I am not aware of that theory. And I belong to three international Beekeeping FB Groups.
But, though I am interested in these topics, I find I'm always learning (shows how much we don't know).
Subway will be removing a possibly dangerous preservative in their breads after a protest movement collected thousands of signatures on a petition. The preservative is also used in making yoga mats.
I find the article title “5 things that aren’t killing honeybees – and 1 thing that definitely is” quite misleading.
The article lists the 5 suspected causes as:
Cellphones, GMO’s, Malnutrition, pesticides, and loss of habitat.
Cellphones are helping individual people go extinct so maybe indirectly they are helping the bees as much as they might be hurting them.
Then is goes on to argue that all of these are indeed part of the problem, except cellphones. Of course, Monsanto is heavily involved in GMO’s and pesticides.
I am particularly interested in the malnutrition angle. Instead of leaving the honeybees with an adequate supply of honey for the winter, they are feeding them instead a substitute like high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). Why? The HFCS is cheaper. So the same toxin (HFCS) included in many of our processed foods causing global obesity is also helping kill off the honeybees.
So, while the article does blame primarily the varroa mite for the recent acceleration of honeybee deaths, it does acknowledge that 4 of the 5 things “that aren’t killing honeybees” are indeed killing honeybees (just slowly).
Titles can be misleading, and the varroa mite is just killing off the honeybees faster than Monsanto can.
The mite has been present for a long time. Mite mitigation strategies have not helped bees recover.
Re: Anthropomorphic Planet Destruction - Honey Bees in Danger
Bob, to settle the bee mystery, why don't they put trackers on the bees, then
recover them when the bees disappear or die, and do autopsies on the bodies?
Isn't that what they would do if humans started disappearing in large numbers?
If none of the farmers are spraying with the neonids, then it's clear these
chemicals are lasting much longer than they should be. It's about time the feds
stop trusting the manufacturers' own testing!
Bob, to settle the bee mystery, why don't they put trackers on the bees, then
recover them when the bees disappear or die, and do autopsies on the bodies?
Isn't that what they would do if humans started disappearing in large numbers?
If none of the farmers are spraying with the neonids, then it's clear these
chemicals are lasting much longer than they should be. It's about time the feds
stop trusting the manufacturers' own testing!
Hi Ed:
The problem is that Monsanto is introducing the Neonicotinoids right into the genes of the plant seed! So when it grows, this chemical is part of each cell.
If a pest comes to eat the leaves, it dies. If a honey bee comes to get the pollen, it dies.
It is the GMO nature of corn seeds, soybean seeds, etc. that is the problem. It is not that a chemical "lasts" somehow in the environment outside. It is being built right into the cells. It does effective "pest control". It is just that the manufacturer doesn't care about collateral damage (honey bees, for example, and other beneficial insects).
And the farmer is caught in the middle. Financially he must plant the cheapest seed (the GMO). And it is not clear even if there is a possibility for major farming, to get non-GMO seed in bulk that is financially viable.
As to the documenting of bee deaths, there are several videos and books and DVD's showing bees being neurologically disoriented by the Neonicotinoids on the flower, circling around, and then falling off the flower dead. I can give you the references if you like. Some I've already posted.
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Saturday, 8th February, 2014, 01:22 AM.
The problem is that Monsanto is introducing the Neonicotinoids right into the genes of the plant seed! So when it grows, this chemical is part of each cell.
If a pest comes to eat the leaves, it dies. If a honey bee comes to get the pollen, it dies.
It is the GMO nature of corn seeds, soybean seeds, etc. that is the problem. It is not that a chemical "lasts" somehow in the environment outside. It is being built right into the cells. It does effective "pest control". It is just that the manufacturer doesn't care about collateral damage (honey bees, for example, and other beneficial insects).
And the farmer is caught in the middle. Financially he must plant the cheapest seed (the GMO). And it is not clear even if there is a possibility for major farming, to get non-GMO seed in bulk that is financially viable.
As to the documenting of bee deaths, there are several videos and books and DVD's showing bees being neurologically disoriented by the Neonicotinoids on the flower, circling around, and then falling off the flower dead. I can give you the references if you like. Some I've already posted.
Bob A
Bob, as far as I know, the gene modification is only to improve the plant, not
to grow the pesticide with it. That kind of synthesis is usually only possible
in a lab, growing colonies of specialized bacteria, and not through plants.
In fact Monsanto's seed coating may be the best way of deploying the
insecticide, since spraying and overspraying releases vastly more
chemical. Bayer, not Monsanto, supplies most of the neonicotinoids
used in dusting.
Neonids should be banned from spraying alltogether... the evidence,
and numbers, shows that this is where the negative impact is.
By Bob Armstrong, Editor, Human Spirit (e-newsletter of the CSDCC)
I believe a major paradigm shift is currently happening in the world - it deals with how the human being sees itself in relation to the world around it.
Historically, man saw himself as a “part of nature”. Nature sustained him with food, habitation, shelter and a reasonable life. He honoured the other species he killed for food, and thanked them for contributing to his continued existence. Man only took what he needed, and so there was always more game for the next time. We call that "sustainability" now.
But along the way somehow, this paradigm went out of favour and there was a paradigm shift. The view became homo-centric. Man was the dominant species, and God made the earth (and the multi-verse) for man to conquer and subdue. And as human society developed, man became more protective of his own tribe vs the other, and then his own country vs the other. Nationalism thrived. It was one sector against another.
But with modern internet technology, we have entered the earth era of what one Canadian communications guru, Marshall McLuhan, called the “global village”. It is my view that this is again causing another paradigm shift in the way man sees himself and his world. It is in some sense, a modern going backward – man is beginning to see himself, not as a national citizen, but as a "Planetary Citizen". Issues cross national boundaries. Solutions must cross national boundaries. And this is no more so than re the issue of a planetary “sustainable environment”. Sustainability necessarily draws man back into an investigation of the multi-layer, multi-environment, multi-ecosystem that is Earth.
The planet Earth has many eco-systems, big and small. And they are interconnected as is a spider-web. Movement in one causes movement in the whole. And if all eco-systems are essential to a “sustainable planet”, then all eco-systems in themselves must be sustainable. Man is starting again to see himself as one species among many, though perhaps the one with the greatest obligation to establish sustainability, since he seems to have developed the highest IQ (although along with it, lots of weaknesses not seen in natural processes). This is a paradigm shift - man being “Planetary Man”, responsible for the planet, of which he is only one eco-system, and whose eco-systems he has to manage sustainably, for the survival of all plant, insect, animal and human life.
I propose that it should be the desire of each and every one of us to move from being a “national citizen” (which can remain secondary) to being a “Planetary Citizen” (which should become primary). Hopefully we all will develop a passion to establish sustainability of all planetary eco-systems.
# 54/14 – 14/2/20
Federal study confirms Oilsands tailings found in groundwater, river: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/national/Federal study confirms oilsands tailings found groundwater/9530481/story.html#ixzz2tsu19Z99
# 36/14 – 14/2/18
Clear-cutting is non-sustainable timber management (photo on FB shared by Be Strong)
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Newsletter Goals: There are passionate advocates, and passionate so-called deniers both with respect to ACC & APD. This newsletter is just trying to do its small bit on sharing info & raising “awareness”. We hope to generate thereby, a more intelligent debate on these issues. Though we are among those concerned about the planetary changes occurring, which we see as negative, we do seek to present information on both sides of the debate (though our balance will be in favour of those concerned).
Editor: Bob Armstrong:
The Aboriginal first nations' historical ties to nature, in all countries, give them a big advantage over us immigrants, with respect to dealing with Planetary Destruction, including Climate Change. We ignore their wisdom at our peril.
Published by: International Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction Clearing House;
Coordinator: Bob Armstrong
"The Aboriginal first nations' historical ties to nature, in all countries, give them a big advantage over us immigrants, with respect to dealing with Planetary Destruction, including Climate Change. We ignore their wisdom at our peril. "
Published by: International Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction Clearing House;
Coordinator: Bob Armstrong
That's a good point but you're bound to get the haters feverishly urinating on the very idea that First Nations people have anything positive to contribute to society. Or, alternately, that since everyone makes mistakes, no one's ideas are worth looking at. It's a recipe for a continuation of the current lemming-like rush to the precipice.
As a counter-counter-example to the hater counter-examples I give you Wade Davis. Davis has devoted his academic life to proving the point from above about First Nations wisdom.
Re: The International APD Report - Issue # 14-6 – April 1, 2014
Traditional wisdom may have something to say. But barring a drastic reduction in the number of people on this planet (which I think is unlikely or possible and may not be desirable), I believe it is modern science and engineering that will help us reduce our impact on the planet. There are few solutions in the past. Technology has in part got us into this mess. It must also help us find a way out.
Last edited by Steve Karpik; Tuesday, 1st April, 2014, 05:09 PM.
Re: Polar Shift Theory & Massive Honey Bee Losses?: The APD Newsletter
I believe that the research is saying that climate change, specifically the melting of the icecaps, is causing the poles to migrate not vice versa. Using data from the GRACE satellites, Jianli Chen of the University of Texas was able to model how melting icecaps affect Earth's mass distribution and ultimately cause the magnetic poles to migrate. Chen found that more than 90% of the post-2005 polar shift was because of increasing ice loss and sea-level rise (see http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.UztA7PldV8E). So migration of the poles is a by-product of climate change not the other way around.
Traditional wisdom may have something to say. But barring a drastic reduction in the number of people on this planet (which I think is unlikely or possible and may not be desirable), I believe it is modern science and engineering that will help us reduce our impact on the planet. There are few solutions in the past. Technology has in part got us into this mess. It must also help us find a way out.
I don't blame technology per se. The technology of enormous freighters, passing through pristine eco-systems and destroying such eco-systems through spills, secret dumping, and so on, only comes about when we have the rewards for the "development" of fossil fuels so high.
The very idea of perpetual growth in nature is called cancer. It kills the host. Our social arrangements presume such perpetual growth in order for the society to be healthy. This is a built-in flaw which is also a dawning realization for many is part of the problem. We cannot continue to rapaciously loot nature of biodiversity and resources, creating runaway greenhouse gases and all sorts of tipping points, and expect to continue on this way indefinitely. This is a challenge to the very way we moderns think about the world and, therefore, ancient wisdom will come in very handy. Essential, even.
The other problem with technology solutions to technology problems is that more efficient cars, for example, lead to no reduction in their use. On the contrary, their is an increase; see Jevons Paradox.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Re: ancient wisdom, technology, and social arrangements
Like it or not technology will advance. I find it interesting that the Luddites who advance chicken little theories are also ultimately anti-mankind and wish to control others but not necessarily themselves. If these AGW campaigners were serious about actually doing something about carbon emissions they wouldn't hold their conferences around the world in five and six star hotels which they attend using their private jets. The CFC is greener than the environmentalists. We meet electronically. Why can't they do the same? I guess that wouldn't be in keeping with their status of the new overlords of humanity.
Canada has at least four major administrative bodies looking into the Canadian (and world-wide) environmental crisis:
1. The Federal Minister of Agriculture;
2. The Canadian Parliamentary Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food;
3. The Pest Management Regulatory Agency at Health Canada (federal);
4. The Ontario (most populous Canadian Province) Bee Health Working Group.
I have been advised by the Agriculture Critic of one of the Canadian opposition parties that the Pest Management Regulatory Agency is involved in a study. It is slated to report in 2018. This is the critical report everyone else is waiting on.
This seems to me to be an unreasonable delay; there is much world-wide scientific evidence and literature already available and the knowledge of bee decline world-wide has been known for many, many years.
Am I being unreasonable?
# 87/14 – 14/5/13
Colony collapse is being caused by neonicotinoids, a form of insecticide that works by damaging the insects' brain functions and shutting down their nervous systems. After a period of excitability, insects exposed to neonicotinoids are paralyzed and subsequently die: http://io9.com/we-may-have-solved-th...ium=socialflow
GMO Free USA
SAVE THE BEES! GMO seeds are coated with neonicotinoid pesticides that have been banned in the EU because they are linked to harm to honeybees.
TAKE THESE ACTIONS TO HELP THE BEES:
Tell Home Depot and Lowes' CEOs to stop selling plants pre-treated with bee-killing neonic pesticides: http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/home-depot-and-lowes
IN THE USA, Ask your Congressional Representatives to support H.R. 2692 to ban neonics: http://bit.ly/PollinatorBill
Tell the EPA to ban neonics: www.foe.org/epa-bees
IN CANADA, sign this petition to ban neonics: http://elizabethmaymp.ca/get-involve...eonicotinoids/
#SaveTheBees #bees #pollinators #pesticides #neonicotinoids #neonics #CCD #ColonyCollapseDisorder #EPA #HR2692 #SavingAmericasPollinatorsAct #HomeDepot #Lowes #LowesHomeImprovement #gmofreecanada #gmofreeusa
# 75/14 – 14/3/6
The City of Eugene, Oregon, USA, became the first community in that nation to specifically ban from city property the use of neonicotinoid pesticides, scientifically linked to the decline of honey bee colonies: https://www.facebook.com/GMOFreeUSA/...876957/?type=1
# 70/14 – 2014?
Petition to the House of Commons of Canada (provided to International APD Report by the New Democratic Party of Canada, Agriculture Critic):
Protect Insect Pollinators
PETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS (Canada)
WHEREAS:
1. The mortality rate for colonies of bees and other pollinators has been rising for the past three years;
2. Insects (primarily bees) play a role in the pollination of 70% of flowering plants;
3. Honeybees contribute more than $2.2 billion to Canada’s agricultural economy each year;
4. There are multiple causes of the decrease in the number and variety of natural and managed pollinators, such as the destruction and disturbance of habitat, pesticide use, side effects of pathogens, and parasites;
5. The Pest Management Regulatory Agency has detected residues of nitro‐guanidine neonicotinoid insecticides used to treat corn seed in approximately 70% of the dead bee samples analyzed in 2012.
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED CITIZENS OF CANADA call upon THE HOUSE OF COMMONS TO:
1. Take concrete steps to solve the problem of high mortality rates among bees and other insect pollinators;
2. Develop a strategy to address the multiple factors related to bee colony deaths, such as the destruction and disturbance of habitat, pesticide use, side effects of pathogens, and parasites;
3. Encourage seed companies to produce and facilitate the purchase of seed that is not treated with neonicotinoids, and ensure the adequate notification and communication to nearby farms when neonicotinoids are being used.
Name (please print) Email Address Full Address Phone Number Signature
Please snail mail these signed petitions to: Ruth Ellen Brosseau, NDP Agriculture Critic, Hill Office, House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario. K1A 0A6.
Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________
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Newsletter Goals: There are passionate advocates, and passionate so-called deniers both with respect to ACC & APD. This newsletter is just trying to do its small bit on sharing info & raising “awareness”. We hope to generate thereby, a more intelligent debate on these issues. Though we are among those concerned about the planetary changes occurring, which we see as negative, we do seek to present information on both sides of the debate (though our balance will be in favour of those concerned).
Editor: Bob Armstrong
The Aboriginal first nations' historical ties to nature, in all countries, give them a big advantage over us immigrants, with respect to dealing with Planetary Destruction, including Climate Change. We ignore their wisdom at our peril.
Published by: Environmental Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction Clearing House;
Coordinator: Bob Armstrong
Comment: EAPDCH would be pleased to hear any comments on any of the ideas presented.
Bob A, EAPDR Editor
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 17th June, 2014, 02:17 PM.
I have been explaining to some of my friends in India the oil pipeline opposition in Canada. They have very little opposition to pipelines, and like Canada, they have a vast country to try to service.
I have suggested there are a number of Issues:
1. Pipeline Security – Pipeline integrity is not great. In fact, recently in Canada, it was uncovered that one major pipeline company was not reporting to the government/public a significant percentage of leakages, pipe ruptures, etc.
2. Pipeline Placement – Canada has a very rugged terrain in places (mountains). And in the north, the permafrost is very vulnerable. Given the location of the resource, and the place of market, it seems pipeline companies are attracted like bees to honey, to the absolute worst places to try to build and maintain an oil pipeline. Add to this a factor of continued delivery being by ocean, in unsafe Canadian coastal waters, and the picture gets bleaker.
3. Environmental Disaster – The location of these proposed pipelines is such that in the event of a rupture and massive oil spill, environmental damage will be huge, and environmental clean-up almost impossible.
4. Nature of the Product – If the source of the oil is such that there is a very high pollution factor (e.g. Alberta Tar Sands), then people don’t want the oil transported in an even 100% secure pipeline (which there could never be anyway). They don’t want the oil taken out of the ground, and don’t want to assist the oil companies by consenting to pipeline delivery of oil they consider tainted. The City of Toronto, capital city of the largest province in Canada, Ontario, just the other day passed a motion that they do not want oil shipped from Alberta Tar Sands through a pipeline east that goes through Toronto. They don’t want the risk of pipeline rupture. But even more, they object to the method of oil generation.
This is my best shot at this topic. Do you have any corrective information re the above, or additional arguments I’ve not considered? If so, send the information/article in to us, and we’ll publish it next Issue.
Resource Articles
Oil Transportation
By Pipeline (Keystone XL/Northern Gateway /TransCanada Energy East & Others)
a. TransCanada Energy East Pipeline, Canada
# 90/14 – 14/5/21
"The Energy East pipeline poses unacceptable risk to Canadian communities," says veteran activist Tzeporah Berman. "We don't need this dangerous pipeline unless we're making a decision to dramatically expand the tar sands. We need a conversation in Canada about whether or not we're going to expand the tar sands, how quickly and how we're going to address climate change." : http://rabble.ca/news/2014/05/energy...ampaign=buffer
# 88/14 – 14/5/20
First Nations activists are turning their attention to TransCanada Corp.’s proposed Energy East project, vowing to mount the same kind of public opposition that threatens the Keystone XL pipeline in the United States and Enbridge Inc.’s Northern Gateway in British Columbia: (facebook forced removal of link??)
b. Keystone XL Pipeline, Canada/USA
Note: Obama administration approval still pending; decision uncertain.
# 96/14 – 14/6/17
Conservative Federal Government Approves Pipeline: Canadian New Democratic Party Leader, Tom Mulcair, leader of the opposition in Parliament, says the approval of the pipeline today (June 17, 2014) "fails" the environment, the economy, and Canadian First Nations. MY COMMENT: opponents of this decision must scower heaven and earth to find strategic tactics that will allow for a reversal of the decision. Note that as far as I am aware, the federal Liberal Party of Canada, the third party, and the Green Party of Canada (one member - Leader) also oppose this decision. It seems like opponents will have to work together to avoid this catastrophe. FB Post by Bob Armstrong
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________________________________________________________________________ How to READ EAPDR: The links provide an extensive amount of material. They cannot be meaningfully read all at once. We suggest archiving your Environmental APD Reports, and when you have time and interest, go pick one link to peruse. Then leave it for a while. It may be that some can deal with a few links at a time, but we feel trying to do them all at one sitting is counter-productive. Also, when archived, you have research at your fingertips, should you need it in future.
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THIS NEWSLETTER IS FREE – EAPDR is targeted to come out on the 1st (and sometimes the 15th) of each month. As we’ve said, should you think this newsletter might be of interest to any of your family or friends, I’d be pleased to have them subscribe – as I said, it is free. Just “forward” the cover e-mail and this newsletter attachment to them, and they can decide then whether to respond to me or not: anthropogenicplanetarydestruct@gmail.com .
Newsletter Goals: There are passionate advocates, and passionate so-called deniers both with respect to ACC & APD. This newsletter is just trying to do its small bit on sharing info & raising “awareness”. We hope to generate thereby, a more intelligent debate on these issues. Though we are among those concerned about the planetary changes occurring, which we see as negative, we do seek to present information on both sides of the debate (though our balance will be in favour of those concerned).
Editor: Bob Armstrong:
The Aboriginal first nations' historical ties to nature, in all countries, give them a big advantage over us immigrants, with respect to dealing with Planetary Destruction, including Climate Change. We ignore their wisdom at our peril.
Published by:Canadian Life Consulting
Coordinator: Bob Armstrong
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