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By the way, Bob, if the NDP puts a candidate in this area that I like I would vote for them. I like Horvath better than Hudak.
Hi Gary:
Your judgment is only surpassed by your good looks!
Bob A
(P.S. You are pushing me not to vote strategically - Hudak will be a disaster, even as a minority premier, brought down almost immediately by the NDP/Lib. Oh a dilemma for the faint of heart.)
"I have lost confidence in Kathleen Wynne and her ability to deliver," Horwath said Friday. "I cannot in good conscience support a government that people don’t trust anymore."
Well said. Horwath has been criticized for not responding yesterday on the budget. I am delighted that she took a day to read the document, consult with her caucus, and deliver a well thought out response. Well done. A nice change from the immediate knee jerk bullshit response we have all become accustomed to. Good for her. :)
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Friday, 2nd May, 2014, 01:27 PM.
Re: Election Looming!: Ontario - Next Provincial Government??
Unless there is a mass exodus of Liberal voters moving to the NDP (well, it did happen in the early '90s for Bob Rae), a vote for Horvath is like a vote for Hudak. The problem with a three-way race.
Unless there is a mass exodus of Liberal voters moving to the NDP (well, it did happen in the early '90s for Bob Rae), a vote for Horvath is like a vote for Hudak. The problem with a three-way race.
Hi Ken:
In some earlier posts, I'd mumbled about "strategic voting" as an issue, and for me personally, an avid ONDP supporter. But on considering it further, I realize that our sitting NDP MPP is popular, and the riding is NDP at all three levels. So the PC's are going nowhere in Toronto-Danforth (not sure if the name is the same provincially and federally). So I can happily vote my preference, and don't have to consider strategic voting. But I agree - Hudak is so anathema to NDP'ers, that if the Progressive Conservative in their riding has chances, many NDP'ers are practical, not ideologues, and will vote Liberal strategically (perhaps holding their nose, since the Liberals have an awful lot of baggage, that Wynne cannot just sweep under the rug).
Re: The ONDP Strategic Vote Dilemma: Ontario - Next Provincial Government??
I got a phone call from Forum research around lunch time. Usually I hang up on them but decided to do this one.
They ask a lot of questions including first and second choice. Also questions on specific budget points like the tax on higher income workers and the Ontario pension plan and so forth.
At the end they get to the personal stuff. I didn't push a button for the one on age so don't know what the other personal questions would have been. So the automated call hung up. I don't know if they use the political questions to which I replied or if they scrap it for lack of the personal information.
Even in the days when they had a live person doing the calling I wouldn't answer the personal questions.
Bob A (fortunately, I have a popular NDP MPP, so I can vote my principles! I feel for the ONDP supporters where PC and Lib are in a horserace - does the NDP support desert to the Lib's to try to stop a PC provincial minority? Contrary to popular opinion, most NDP'ers are not ideologues - many tend to be pragmatists, trying to move democratic socialism forward, but also concerned about what is best for the province at any particular time. This strategic voting dilemma is difficult - it is probably a partly correct argument, that the NDP will never move forward with members abandoning it - the situation will always remain only a two party race. Difficult)
Bob A (fortunately, I have a popular NDP MPP, so I can vote my principles!
I don't know why you'd vote anything other than your principles.
I haven't seen the full results of that poll. I was one of those they telephoned. They asked a second choice and mine was the NDP. Now if you take my first choice and second choice it indicates that should I become disenchanted with the PC candidate the NDP support has room to grow. In fact, I have no idea who the NDP candidate is or will be and I didn't know who the PC candidate was until after I did the poll. It looks like it's the same person who lost by around 5,000 votes (or a bit more) to the Libs last time. Haven't heard a name for the NDP candidate.
Can you remember the days when it was important that someone living in the riding was your representative in government? I still think it is.
Bob A (fortunately, I have a popular NDP MPP, so I can vote my principles! I feel for the ONDP supporters where PC and Lib are in a horserace - does the NDP support desert to the Lib's to try to stop a PC provincial minority? Contrary to popular opinion, most NDP'ers are not ideologues - many tend to be pragmatists, trying to move democratic socialism forward, but also concerned about what is best for the province at any particular time. This strategic voting dilemma is difficult - it is probably a partly correct argument, that the NDP will never move forward with members abandoning it - the situation will always remain only a two party race. Difficult)
If someone can duct tape Hudak's mouth to prevent insertion of his foot at least until the election you guys might be in trouble.
Bob A (fortunately, I have a popular NDP MPP, so I can vote my principles! I feel for the ONDP supporters where PC and Lib are in a horserace - does the NDP support desert to the Lib's to try to stop a PC provincial minority? Contrary to popular opinion, most NDP'ers are not ideologues - many tend to be pragmatists, trying to move democratic socialism forward, but also concerned about what is best for the province at any particular time. This strategic voting dilemma is difficult - it is probably a partly correct argument, that the NDP will never move forward with members abandoning. it - the situation will always remain only a two party race. Difficult)
There's always the hard core party faithful who vote no matter what, but there is a larger group of voters who are pragmatic and often motivated by anger at whoever is in power. Governments need to change every 10 years or so. Memories of distant disasters by tori and NDP governments fade and people vote for them again. If McGuilty was still around he would get slaughtered, the new premier is refreshing but not enough to overcome voter anger. The best hope the NDP has is getting a Hudak minority which will be a short-lived disaster and a new election in a year or two which the NDP could win if the conservatives don't get a fresh new leader.
Re: ONDP & Strategic Voting: Ontario - Next Provincial Government??
Looks like we have the same three candidates for the major party's as last election. I don't know why the PC's and NDP would field the same candidates and expect a different result.
I have no expectation of the ONDP this time changing their third place position (disagree with the party on decisions made around this election). But>>>>>>>
The Globe and Mail - a Tweet Today
Tories, Liberals nearly tied in latest Ontario polls!
Couldn't ask for better news than to see the PC lead in the polls slowly evaporating, as Hudak/PC Policies scare the bejeezus out of even their own supporters!
Bob A (voting NDP in my local riding, and will win)
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