Rated Forfeits

[Fred McKim]

Re: Rated Forfeits

Any forfeited game (where the opponent fails to show up for the round) counts for rating under the regulations of the CFC rating system.

If I was submitting an event for rating the game would show on the submitted cross-table as any other played game would.

It is up to the person submitting the rating report to ensure that these sort of forfeited games are rated.

I suppose a legitimate unrated "forfeit" would be in the case of a player withdrawing from a round-robin event.

[Jack Maguire]

Re: Rated Forfeits

When a player doesn't show up for a game and his opponent does, the first player is not only wasting the second player's time, he's depriving him of a game that he paid for with his entry fee.
I think rating the game is a partial way to both compensate the second person and punish the first.

I couldn't agree with you more, John.

[John Upper]

Re: Rated Forfeits

When a player doesn't show up for a game and his opponent does, the first player is not only wasting the second player's time, he's depriving him of a game that he paid for with his entry fee.
I think rating the game is a partial way to both compensate the second person and punish the first.

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Rated Forfeits

Rating is supposed to be a measure of playing strength, not a measure of how often you show up for your games. There are other (rarely/never used) methods to punish players for not showing up for their game.

[Keith MacKinnon]

Re: Rated Forfeits

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that forfeits should be rated. Imagine you see that you're playing a very underrated opponent in the next round. You both are out of the prize money, so the only thing at stake is your rating. In this situation, if rating is your main motivator, you have a strong incentive to forfeit the round.

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Rated Forfeits

I've always thought that rating forfeits where no moves were played was kinda silly and not really a good effect on the rating system.

[Paul Leblanc]

Re: Rated Forfeits

I am dismayed to hear this and I will look into it

[Steve Karpik]

Thanks to Dave Southam and Marcus Wilker, I learned something new yesterday. I had assumed that when I send tournament results to the CFC electronically (in Swiss Sys format) that forfeited games were rated by the CFC. I believed this until about a day ago when Dave, through a post on FB, informed me otherwise. Marcus provided reference to rule 433 in the CFC handbook that forfeits are not normally rated. The rule states: "Games marked F or D (for Forfeit or Default) will not be rated (rule 418) unless they are also marked R (for Rated)."

I'm not very happy about this. Swiss Sys does not provide the option of specifying a forfeit loss as rated or not rated. It is simply a forfeit. So how do I indicate that forfeiting players should lose rating points. The threat of losing rating points was one of the few points of pressure that we can apply to individuals who choose not to do the courteous things and let us know on a particular evening that they aren't going to play.

I suspect this rule is a throwback to when results were submitted to the CFC on scraps of paper. I suspect that now almost no one submits on paper so how do we make sure that forfeiting players pay for their lack of consideration by losing a few rating points?