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After polling the governors and engaging in more than twenty pages worth of discussion with the voting members the decision was made to endorse Kirsan in the FIDE election. This is consistent with the governors vote and the vote of the executive. I was the only person who at any time voiced any support for Garry's candidacy among the executive and that was early in the process before the debate and tactics of the GK proponents. I modified my view as the abuse thickened. At this time the agenda for the AGM is set and not even I can change the agenda without postponing the incoming voting members meeting in order to make the requisite notice.
Note that this same debate took place at a governors meeting four years ago and anyone thinking that they are going to be able to hijack the meeting and introduce this motion again should read the provisions of the NFP act. Sasha even pointed to the section previously that they need to read.
Vlad does the CFC plan at any time to put our a press release or other public dissemination of Kirsan's endorsement similar to the document the UK put out explaining there rationale of their "proud" endorsement of Gary? http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf I am very disappointed and surprised on many levels that the majority of governors would support a candidate who appears operates in a true mafia fashion replete with a history of grotesque stabbed corpses (of political journalist opponents) and convicted murderers that were aides who appear sworn to silence Cosa Nostra style! I have a relative who was close to some of the many murdered journalists in Russia (Oscar nominated human rights film maker (Edet Belzberg)) so for me it is no academic exercise or political maneuver. It is a sickening reality to be a witness to.
You may have found it pushy and even "abusive" for the FIDE representative to be warned that the US Government itself is interested in the likes of such characters. Should Kirsan end up on the sanctions list the results will be disastrous for chess not only in Canada but in general as well.
This is a sad day for chess in Canada and a true embarrassment to Canada itself. You have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 17th June, 2014, 09:26 PM.
Vlad does the CFC plan at any time to put our a press release or other public dissemination of Kirsan's endorsement similar to the document the UK put out explaining there rationale of their "proud" endorsement of Gary? http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf
I will probably come up with a similar enumeration of the CFC's reasons within the next few days.
I am very disappointed and surprised on many levels that the majority of governors would support a candidate who operates in a true mafia fashion replete with a history of grotesque stabbed corpses (of political journalist opponents) and convicted murderers that were close aides sworn to silence Cosa Nostra style! I have a relative who was close to some of the many murdered journalists in Russia (Oscar nominated human rights film maker (Edet Belzberg)) so for me it is no academic exercise or political maneuver. It is a sickening reality to be a witness to.
Is Kirsan now responsible for every murdered journalist in Russia? That seems to be what you are implying. I do not see any evidence from unbiased sources that indicate that Kirsan had anything to do with any murder. In any case these are old charges which did not prevent your preferred candidate from saying some positive things about Kirsan over the years. I suspect that when this is all over your candidate will make nice with Kirsan again.
The governors were presented with all the facts and certainly made their own arguments. The thread went on for twenty two pages in a forum similar to the one here on chesstalk.
You may have found it pushy and even "abusive" for the FIDE representative to be warned that the US Government itself is interested in the likes of such characters.
The US government has not been a guiding light for what is good and pure of late. It has not been effective either. It is convenient to claim friends in high places being interested in the outcome of our little chess politics but I did respond to your threats of Barrack Obama inserting himself in this debate and invited him to call. Perhaps he could call Stephen Harper first as there are probably a few more important U.S. - Canadian bilateral items which need to be addressed and are slightly more critical ahead of who the next president of FIDE is.
Should Kirsan end up on the sanctions list the results will be disastrous for chess not only in Canada but in general as well.
This is a sad day for chess in Canada and a true embarrassment to Canada itself. You have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind.
They would have to be going pretty deep into the list of Russian citizens for the sanctions to reach Kirsan. The only whirlwind is a lot of complaining from people who would do well to spend some time reading Dale Carnegie's, "How to Win Friends and Influence People" for their next campaign. I received a lot of feedback last weekend from individuals at the Guelph ProAm. All were pretty positive about my approach with the most negative being that perhaps I should not be engaging in discussions with people who are clearly interested in being trolls. Clearly the fiction that the bulk of the Canadian chess playing public support Kasparov is a comforting lie that you tell yourselves to justify behaviour that is clearly over the top. You see Kasparov as the anointed one but most others don't. As long as you come from a place where you think that anyone who might oppose you is stupid or corrupt you will not learn the lessons that you need to learn from this situation. I do not put you in that category of being a troll but you have lost face with some people who are influential in chess in Canada. The behaviour of Team Kasparov with the exceptions of Ruth Haring and Robert Hamilton have not given anyone in Canada any reason to vote for their candidate or trust that once they are in a position of power their behaviour would improve.
I have people that I consider friends among the governors that voted for Kasparov in the straw poll. Their are no hard feelings on my part and hopefully none on their part.
"The governors were presented with all the facts and certainly made their own arguments. The thread went on for twenty two pages in a forum similar to the one here on chesstalk".
So, Vlad, you are implying that the Governors wanted to endorse Ilumzhinov.
"Is Kirsan now responsible for every murdered journalist in Russia? That seems to be what you are implying. I do not see any evidence from unbiased sources that indicate that Kirsan had anything to do with any murder. In any case these are old charges which did not prevent your preferred candidate from saying some positive things about Kirsan over the years. I suspect that when this is all over your candidate will make nice with Kirsan again."
The governors were presented with all the facts and certainly made their own arguments. The thread went on for twenty two pages in a forum similar to the one here on chesstalk."
One murder is enough and is does not matter if it is an old affair. Murder is murder! Your claim about not seeing any evidence from unbiased sources is indicative of you being either blind , stupid or dishonest!
One thing I know for sure is that the way you rushed the decision so that no one that opposes you could use the FIDE election as a platform in the upcoming AGM was an act of cowardice even if what you did was intrinsically legal.
You want to delude yourself that possible repercussions I eluded to will never happen enjoy it while you can.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 17th June, 2014, 09:32 PM.
Look, the problem is that no executive came forward so far to confirm his vote for KI's endorsement by CFC and the reasons behind it.
Who exactly do you think I am? As President, I am spokesman for the directors. That the rest of the directors choose not to get embroiled in something that leads to personal attacks on them is not entirely surprising.
I am trying to be open, available and transparent. Your behaviour certainly encourages me to rethink my priorities and engage in more useful endeavours.
In a vew that all civilized World England including is supporting Gary Kasparov,
"The governors were presented with all the facts and certainly made their own arguments. The thread went on for twenty two pages in a forum similar to the one here on chesstalk".
So, Vlad, you are implying that the Governors wanted to endorse Ilumzhinov.
However there is a different information:
So how the executives dare to endorse Ilumzhinov after all?
The executive were also governors. Kirsan won narrowly even if you remove all of the executive votes. We dare to endorse Kirsan after all because he won the vote among the executive. There were no votes for Gary. I think Kirsan should send you a thank you note for your contribution to his successful campaign in Canada.
"As President, I am spokesman for the directors".
Vlad, this is not a private corporation, you and other Directors were voted in during the last AGM and could be voted out of the office during the upcoming AGM. As the CFC Member and incoming Governor I have the right to know why and how certain important decision was made. For example, there is nothing in the KI program benefitting Canadian Chess and CFC, unlike GK's program. Therefore sinse you are not disclosing your decision, neither rational behind it, I wanted other Executives to come forward with their reasons for the KI's endorsement, and nobody did. You really think that this is a way CFC is supposed to operate?
The executive were also governors. Kirsan won narrowly even if you remove all of the executive votes. We dare to endorse Kirsan after all because he won the vote among the executive. There were no votes for Gary. I think Kirsan should send you a thank you note for your contribution to his successful campaign in Canada.
My campain hasn't even started! Thanks to you it will be an easy one!
One murder is enough and is does not matter if it is an old affair. Murder is murder! Your claim about not seeing any evidence from unbiased sources is indicative of you being either blind , stupid or dishonest!
Murder is murder. Was Gary being blind, stupid or dishonest when he made his positive statements about Kirsan or does this only apply against people who will not bend their knees and worship the anointed one?
One thing I know for sure is that the way you rushed the decision
A rushed decision would have been if we had followed your lead and endorsed Gary at the time you first contacted us as you were insisting that we do. I am sure you would have had no objection to this alternate outcome. We have held approximately three months of deliberations on this issue give or take two days. I would hardly consider that rushed.
so that no one that opposes you could use the FIDE election as a platform in the upcoming AGM was an act of cowardice even if what you did was intrinsically legal.
I would welcome a viable candidate who is not a one issue candidate running against me and winning if that candidate was willing to do the work that winning the election would entail. The last time such a situation arose someone ran for FIDE rep and promptly disappeared after his candidate lost the election. In fact I think that person was you.
As always you seem to be operating from a place of limited information and lacking access to the facts. I got this email yesterday. The AGM will be largely irrelevant from the point of view of the FIDE election because it will be too late to change our delegate even with a change of administration.
From: Directory Elista FIDE Office (directory@fide.com) This sender is in your safe list.
Sent: June-16-14 10:45:51 AM
To: Canada Chess Federation (info@chess.ca); Vladimir Drkulec; Hal Bond; Lyle Craver
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Dear Sirs
Please see the attached list of delegates which are published on the FIDE website as is required by the FIDE Electoral Regulations Section 5.A.1.
According to FIDE Electoral Regulations Section 5.A.2
At the latest five weeks before the opening session of the General Assembly, the President of each member federation shall inform the FIDE Secretariat in writing of any changes to be made to this list. If there has been no such notification by this deadline, and there is no delegate on the list that was published on the FIDE website pursuant to Section (1) above, the delegate shall be the President of the federation.
FIDE recommends that the following wording be used for informing the Secretariat, until 7 July (Athens time 17.00), of any change to be made to the list of delegates in accordance with this paragraph.
“I, the President of the federation of _____________________ hereby inform FIDE that the Delegate of my federation at the FIDE 2014 General Assembly in Tromso will be _____________________.
Date : _____________________
Signature: _____________________”
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Best regards
Elista FIDE Office
You want to delude yourself that repercussions will never happen enjoy it while you can.
The wicked flee where no man pursueth. My decisions are just and well documented. I am not worried. Your statement looks like a threat but then that is what I have come to expect from the Kasparov camp.
"As President, I am spokesman for the directors".
Vlad, this is not a private corporation, you and other Directors were voted in during the last AGM and could be voted out of the office during the upcoming AGM.
Yes. This is something that the Kasparov proponents keep reminding me of as if it is some kind of negative consequence for me. One hint: I do not want anything from the CFC for myself aside from it being an environment in which kids and adults can play chess without having officious individuals determine their fate solely as a way of compensating for their own inadequacies and feelings of powerlessness.
As the CFC Member and incoming Governor I have the right to know why and how certain important decision was made.
Actually you don't. Certainly not in the way you think you do.
For example, there is nothing in the KI program benefitting Canadian Chess and CFC, unlike GK's program. Therefore sinse you are not disclosing your decision, neither rational behind it, I wanted other Executives to come forward with their reasons for the KI's endorsement, and nobody did. You really think that this is a way CFC is supposed to operate?
If you start acting like a rational person perhaps people will answer your questions.
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