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It appears that Colombo or Sherlock has hit a snag in the investigation or he is holding out until the final scene when he confronts the evil doers.
The anoncement by Mr. Balgagbaev (FIDE) was made on 16th at about 9AM Eastern time. Obviously Bond's announcement at 7:06 AM could be read by a very few people here, in fact I've found about CFC's endorsement of KI from the Russian chess site, not the Canadian one! Nice job!
Your information is incorrect. I have never been a delegate at a Fide meeting in my life no less voted at one.
I stand corrected. My information was incorrect or I misunderstood what was said. I apologize for that statement.
As I said I was FIDE rep for two weeks and was in Toronto the entire time. The only nerve you hit is that you posted a blatant lie about me and continue to do so. The one and only time we spoke on the phone you stated you were leaning towards GK (this was after the email was sent out to Hal that apparently bothered you so much) at odds with your version of events about when you changed your mind about GK. By the way the phone call was very civil and businesslike. I was told by you you would be back to us with in a few days of the phone call. That obviously never happened.
My understanding is that Hal Bond had a number of conversations with you. Contrary to what you think this is not the most important item that has been on my plate for the last three months.
Your earlier post about our seeking an endorsement early was frankly because the choice was and is so obvious that we did not foresee any problems.
It was obvious to you but not to anyone else. Kasparov's biggest problem was that his candidacy never filled me with any enthusiasm so I was not a very good spokesperson for the idea of voting for and endorsing him.
We did not imagine that Canada would have the dubious distinction of being one of the only countries to join the third world in support of an ex tin pot dictator who's aides during his tenure murdered an opposition journalist.
As I said before this allegation didn't stop Leong or Kasparov from saying very nice things about Kirsan in the past. You don't seem to want to address this point.
We were promised in the fullness of time that the CFC would disclose what exactly it received in return for Kirsan's endorsement. By the way if FIDE resources were used for the CFC that simply is another example of embezzlement that the FIDE General Secretary has so painstakingly documented. Well you are at it please disclose exactly how much Hal Bond gets paid on an annual basis for his arbitors jobs that FIDE gives him.
As i said i am not interested in conversing with someone who posts falsehoods both about me and there accounting of events. In my books you are not trustworthy and you can include that in your talking points about why you got what the board moderator here deemed as abuse.
I suggest that you look up embezzlement in the dictionary. It seems to have a different definition than the one which you are attempting to apply.
The anoncement by Mr. Balgagbaev (FIDE) was made on 16th at about 9AM Eastern time. Obviously Bond's announcement at 7:06 AM could be read by a very few people here, in fact I've found about CFC's endorsement of KI from the Russian chess site, not the Canadian one! Nice job!
Nevertheless, the CFC announcement WAS made before FIDE announced it. Would it have made any difference if Hal Bond had made the announcement at 3:30am or 5am?
All this posturing about the CFC endorsement of one candidate or the other seems to be much ado about nothing; I fail to see what difference either endorsement makes for 99% of the chess players in Canada.
All I can say is I am glad there are only TWO candidates in the FIDE election - JUST IMAGINE the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands there would be if there were more!
This thread would likely overtake the climate change thread(s) as the most number of posts of little or no value.
The Chess Federation of Canada has been following the FIDE Presidential campaign with continued interest. After lengthy consideration our Executive has opted to endorse Kirsan Ilyumzhinov for FIDE President.
Nothing personal Bob... :) I didn't say that ALL the posts in that thread were little or no value (just MOST)
I can't even follow threads that huge anymore since it is hard to zero in on new posts (other than the most recent post).
I just can't be bothered anymore - this thread is rapidly reaching that status too but not because it is large ;)
I stand corrected. My information was incorrect or I misunderstood what was said. I apologize for that statement.
My understanding is that Hal Bond had a number of conversations with you. Contrary to what you think this is not the most important item that has been on my plate for the last three months.
It was obvious to you but not to anyone else. Kasparov's biggest problem was that his candidacy never filled me with any enthusiasm so I was not a very good spokesperson for the idea of voting for and endorsing him.
As I said before this allegation didn't stop Leong or Kasparov from saying very nice things about Kirsan in the past. You don't seem to want to address this point.
I suggest that you look up embezzlement in the dictionary. It seems to have a different definition than the one which you are attempting to apply.
"I stand corrected. My information was incorrect or I misunderstood what was said. I apologize for that statement."
You probably should apologize to Gary while you are at it as i saw you post some lulu's about him, on the other hand it doesn't matter any more, you accomplished your dirty little deed. The horse is out of the barn.
My understanding is that Hal Bond had a number of conversations with you. Contrary to what you think this is not the most important item that has been on my plate for the last three months.
I have no doubt you have a lot on your plate. My point is that what you deemed "abuse" and "disrespectfulness" had already occurred when you were on the phone with me claiming you were "leaning towards Gary" and that you would be "back to us in a few days".
"As I said before this allegation didn't stop Leong or Kasparov from saying very nice things about Kirsan in the past. You don't seem to want to address this point."
Professional courtesy is very different then having an entire countries chess players (THE CFC) endorse a candidate and continue to support him as the leader of FIDE.
Kirsan's past is an inconvenient truth. Sort of like a fart that lingers in the pants that everyone tries to ignore. Well unfortunately the entire country of Canada will now be subjected to this stench. Good going!
"I suggest that you look up embezzlement in the dictionary. It seems to have a different definition than the one which you are attempting to apply."
And...so???? How much did FIDE or Kirsan pay the CFC for the endorsement? How much money does Hal Bond get paid for as an arbitrator on an annual basis by FIDE?
We would like to know what price you put on the reputation of the CFC and the country of Canada?
"I stand corrected. My information was incorrect or I misunderstood what was said. I apologize for that statement."
You probably should apologize to Gary while you are at it as i saw you post some lulu's about him, on the other hand it doesn't matter any more, you accomplished your dirty little deed. The horse is out of the barn.
My understanding is that Hal Bond had a number of conversations with you. Contrary to what you think this is not the most important item that has been on my plate for the last three months.
I have no doubt you have a lot on your plate. My point is that what you deemed "abuse" and "disrespectfulness" had already occurred when you were on the phone with me claiming you were "leaning towards Gary" and that you would be "back to us in a few days".
"As I said before this allegation didn't stop Leong or Kasparov from saying very nice things about Kirsan in the past. You don't seem to want to address this point."
Professional courtesy is very different then having an entire countries chess players (THE CFC) endorse a candidate and continue to support him as the leader of FIDE.
Kirsan's past is an inconvenient truth. Sort of like a fart that lingers in the pants that everyone tries to ignore. Well unfortunately the entire country of Canada will now be subjected to this stench. Good going!
"I suggest that you look up embezzlement in the dictionary. It seems to have a different definition than the one which you are attempting to apply."
And...so???? How much did FIDE or Kirsan pay the CFC for the endorsement? How much money does Hal Bond get paid for as an arbitrator on an annual basis by FIDE?
We would like to know what price you put on the reputation of the CFC and the country of Canada?
Actually this is a quote from one of Vlad's posts: "The prize of the endorsement is available".
I'm concerned that Canada's ashamed itself for no benefits to our chess players (except, perhaps, a few individuals). Here is another Vlad's quote: "I want the person who is best for chess in Canada and in the world to win". What makes KI the best for chess in Canada? Executives, stop hiding behind Vlad's back, answer here to all of us, and the Governors, whom you've made a laughing stock, taking away all their powers.
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There is nothing stopping someone from running and using the FIDE election as platform in the upcoming AGM. So far all I hear is noise from Sasha implying that he will run for president and pay himself if he wins. Good luck with that. That should be a real vote getter among the voting members.
You clearly thought the executive could make the decision on the FIDE election when you were trying to rush us and bully us into making the decision to nominate Garry Kasparov within days of your first contact. The executive was not so pliable and compliant as you would have hoped. You send in your agents into the governors forum and get them to start a debate as to who should be voted for and endorsed. We engage in that debate and you lose there. The executive took that straw poll and discussion as a free and clear mandate to vote the way that their consciences dictated.
There was an abstention or two along the way but the bulk of the executive voted for Kirsan. Not one person voted for Gary. So now that you have failed twice you want to reopen the debate at the AGM using a whole new crew of voting members but the problem is that there won't be a whole new crew. Mostly its the same people. You lost one somewhat effective and likeable spokesperson for Kasparov in the person of Bob Armstrong and replaced him with Sasha Starr who will probably not be nearly as persuasive or effective as Bob was judging from his performance here. Is this the way democracy works in Sid's world? You keep taking the same vote until you get the result you want? And now we learn that in Sid's world it is cowardly to oppose an outside crew that wants to come in and steal the FIDE election and really doesn't give a rats ass about the CFC, or Canadian chess and its issues. You have taken up more of my time than you really deserve. You are rude and obnoxious and feel somehow entitled to dictate our vote and throw a tantrum and call me names when you don't get your way. You behave like a petulant child who is denied a new toy in the store.
I don't believe as you have claimed that a vote for Kirsan is tantamount to a vote for Putin which is like a vote for Hitler. There are two links in your chain of logic that are clearly broken there. You have not made your repeated case that Kirsan is a murderer and a thug. Further you have not indicated why Gary has cozied up to Kirsan in the past if he is this monster that you are now claiming that he is. Even a member of your ticket Leong had some pretty nice things to say about Kirsan in the past. So it seems to me that from the point of view of the Kasparov team Kirsan is a great guy until he represents an obstacle to the anointed one at which point he becomes the Devil incarnate.
Vlad you need to stop posting lies about me. I have never sent anyone to the governors forum and have never had anything to do with Bob Armstrong or for that matter Sasha Starr's involvement in this area. You have an issue with Bob or Sasha or whoever else was in the governor forums or even the politics of the CFC don't pin it on me as the only contact I have had up until two days ago was with you and Hal Bond as far as the Canadian Chess community is concerned.
You have a very big mouth for someone who does not have the facts. You have no idea about me "not giving a rats ass about the CFC" and is another one of your unsubstantiated falsehoods .
As far as not making the case that Kirsan had two close aides that murdered an opposition journalist or that Kirsan is not closely involved with Putin after the numerous links I have posted then as I said before you are either blind, stupid , or dishonest. Based on several conspiracies that you have now falsely said I am involved with ( one of which you offered up an apology) I would say the latter is correct.
You don't like me so you ruin the reputation of the CFC by endorsing a third world tin pot dictator who's aides murdered an opposition journalist (yes that is the title I will always give this excuse of a person). Canada Western Europe and The United States do not share the same values as the third world. You singlehandedly tarred Canada's reputation. Your actions speak louder then even your big mouth about who cares about the CFC.
I can see your brilliant talking points, "I did not like one of Mr Kasparov's friends so I endorsed a third world tin pot dictator who's aides murdered an opposition journalist". Good luck with that Vlad!
You're actually asking voting members. There are no governors anymore.
We are Steve-O
Shades of '45 and all that.
Or maybe it was the Tao of Stieb.
Tomorrow I'll be perfect.
In any event, I'm not currently a voting member, although I'm darn inspired to return just to be able to "legitimately" shout people down. After all, freedom of speech is a right. Which must be controlled....
Kidding aside,
Honestly Vlad, I don't know why you put up with this rubbish. You've done a good job (IMHO) and seem to be willing to keep doing it. Keep up the good work.
Your critics have *implied* all kinds of nonsense including lying, embezzlement, corruption, and other forms of breaking the law. All because, umm, you disagree with them.
If the worst thing they can do is call you names and cite "evidence" in Europe which "no-one has seen", you're on solid ground.
Vlad you need to stop posting lies about me. I have never sent anyone to the governors forum and have never had anything to do with Bob Armstrong or for that matter Sasha Starr's involvement in this area. You have an issue with Bob or Sasha or whoever else was in the governor forums or even the politics of the CFC don't pin it on me as the only contact I have had up until two days ago was with you and Hal Bond as far as the Canadian Chess community is concerned.
You have a very big mouth for someone who does not have the facts. You have no idea about me "not giving a rats ass about the CFC" and is another one of your unsubstantiated falsehoods .
As far as not making the case that Kirsan had two close aides that murdered an opposition journalist or that Kirsan is not closely involved with Putin after the numerous links I have posted then as I said before you are either blind, stupid , or dishonest. Based on several conspiracies that you have now falsely said I am involved with ( one of which you offered up an apology) I would say the latter is correct.
You don't like me so you ruin the reputation of the CFC by endorsing a third world tin pot dictator who's aides murdered an opposition journalist (yes that is the title I will always give this excuse of a person). Canada Western Europe and The United States do not share the same values as the third world. You singlehandedly tarred Canada's reputation. Your actions speak louder then even your big mouth about who cares about the CFC.
I can see your brilliant talking points, "I did not like one of Mr Kasparov's friends so I endorsed a third world tin pot dictator who's aides murdered an opposition journalist". Good luck with that Vlad!
The notion the you and Sasha Starr have no relationship with each other, particularly on this particular issue is complete bullsquat and you know it. Both of you should grow up.
Well, sorry to disappoint you but although I have known Sasha for 30 years his involvement in this was indeed completely independent of mine. The first time I communicated with Sasha was in the last few days.
The notion the you and Sasha Starr have no relationship with each other, particularly on this particular issue is complete bullsquat and you know it. Both of you should grow up.
I was recently contacted by one of the governors who wishes to remain anonymous and told that the CFC has been contacted by the candidate running against Kasparov and were given an offer. He stated that he did not want to be the one "leaking" the terms of the offer but that he did not believe it was a secret that the CFC was approached.
1) I am assuming that what the governor was said is true. Has the executive decided not to be open and transparent to its members in disclosing that they were approached and what the terms of the offer are? If it is a secret to the CFC members, why?
Honestly Vlad, I don't know why you put up with this rubbish. You've done a good job (IMHO) and seem to be willing to keep doing it. Keep up the good work.
Your critics have *implied* all kinds of nonsense including lying, embezzlement, corruption, and other forms of breaking the law. All because, umm, you disagree with them.
If the worst thing they can do is call you names and cite "evidence" in Europe which "no-one has seen", you're on solid ground.
That's what it looks like from the outside.
Steve
Thanks. This is similar to the reaction that I get from most of the sensible people that I talk to about this.
As the author of Dilbert says when you come across a big boiling pot of crazy its best not to stir it. I will disengage.
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