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The CFC needs to raise significant money in order to execute on its plan. Sasha has far greater access to sponsors through his allies then the incumbent. Before you worry about the details why don't you ask the incumbent how he plans to raise money that would make such an expansion even possible? 80k earmarked for a few tournaments from a sponsor with a track record of not delivering will not cut it.
I didn't ask about the gelt. I asked where the paying members would come from.
3,000 new adult members at $36. each is more than 100K.
In the big long post in the first post in this thread you wrote in part:
"Goal: Increasing Membership to 5,000 members by September 1, 2015."
I simply asked where the more than 3,000 new members would come from? Roughly how many from each province you predict.
Answering this would be helping yourself.
As I said the first question is raising the money in order to execute the plan. That is the first question because without the money it ain't happening. Ask the incumbent if he has ambitious plans that are comparable, if yes from where is the money going to come?
I think you wrote you would increase the membership to 5,000. That's an increase of roughly 3,000 players.
Would you mind telling how roughly how much of an increase we can expect in each of the provinces? All you have to do is list the provinces and how many new members of the 3,000 will come from each province. Really quite simple.
He'd probably get 50 or as many as 100 or more of them from Windsor assuming that his youth coordinator didn't offend the local organizers too much like they did last time we hosted CYCC coincidentally while Michael Barron was youth coordinator.
In the big long post in the first post in this thread you wrote in part:
"Goal: Increasing Membership to 5,000 members by September 1, 2015."
I simply asked where the more than 3,000 new members would come from? Roughly how many from each province you predict.
Answering this would be helping yourself.
Sorry Gary, but this line of questioning is both arbitrary and pointless. Why stop at the provincial level, why not ask how many will come from each federal riding? Why not ask how many will be of Chinese ancestry? Why not ask how many will be Catholic and how many Protestant?
What difference does it make 'where they come from'? If it turns out in the future that they're all from Ontario, THEN you can make your point about that fact... but in the meantime, the goal is 5K members period.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
He'd probably get 50 or as many as 100 or more of them from Windsor assuming that his youth coordinator didn't offend the local organizers too much like they did last time we hosted CYCC coincidentally while Michael Barron was youth coordinator.
Looks like the people complaining about snipers are turning their own guns on Micheal Barron. This is the third post from Vlad criticizing Michael that I've seen this morning. Hypocrisy.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
It makes no difference where they come from. Knowing where he THINKS they will come from will help judge the chances of the goal becoming reality.
One part of your post, which I didn't quote, is offensive.
So then what if Sasha just calculated what % of the current membership comes from each province, extrapolated that to 5K member for each province, and then gave you those numbers? In other words, Sasha tells you the % from each province isn't going to change. Does that suddenly make the 5K goal much more likely to become reality? Well, I guess it would if instead he were to say they're all going to come from Saskatchewan. But you yourself could calculate those percentages, why do you need Sasha to do it for you? Are you insinuating he's an idiot and you want to see if he will say something like "they're all going to come from Saskatchewan"?
It is YOUR post that is offensive, to Sasha.
What part of my previous post is offensive? The mention of Chinese ancestry? My question made NO assumptions about, nor draws ANY conclusions about, those with Chinese ancestry, neither explicitly nor implicitly. It's just a question that you could have asked, as pointless and arbitrary as the one you DID ask.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
So then what if Sasha just calculated what % of the current membership comes from each province, extrapolated that to 5K member for each province, and then gave you those numbers? In other words, Sasha tells you the % from each province isn't going to change. Does that suddenly make the 5K goal much more likely to become reality? Well, I guess it would if instead he were to say they're all going to come from Saskatchewan. But you yourself could calculate those percentages, why do you need Sasha to do it for you? Are you insinuating he's an idiot and you want to see if he will say something like "they're all going to come from Saskatchewan"?
It is YOUR post that is offensive, to Sasha.
What part of my previous post is offensive? The mention of Chinese ancestry? My question made NO assumptions about, nor draws ANY conclusions about, those with Chinese ancestry, neither explicitly nor implicitly. It's just a question that you could have asked, as pointless and arbitrary as the one you DID ask.
Paul, you must have watched a lot of WWE because you are the best heel I have seen since Ric Flair.
Re: There once was a grassy knoll of snipers, firing in all directions at once...
I don't believe it is likely (okay, possible) to get 3000 more members in a year or two without giving away free memberships. However, this isn't the first time that someone has made this sort of promise. I present: http://chess.ca/sites/default/files/06-07gl6.pdf
Who won an election for CFC President with this as part of his platform? To his credit he did predict that Carlsen would be world champion in 2020 and I think that's got a good chance of happening. :-) The rest, not so much.
"...Vision 2020:
Self help guru StevenCovey says one should begin with the end in mind.
My dream isto see a WorldChessChampion from Canada.
Please indulge me for a moment:
The year is 2020, ourCanadianChampion hasjust defeated Magnus Carlsen for all the marbles. Our
Federation’s annualreport containsthese hi-lites:
Adult Membership @$50.00 15,000 = $750,000
Youth membership @ $30.00 30,000 = $900,000
RetailCommissions @ 3% of $4,000,000 = $120,000
Rating Fees @$3.00 per player/event = $300,000
Program Sponsors = $200,000
Program Fundraisers within the membership = $200,000
Foundation and investment income = $ 30,000
TotalRevenue $2,500,000
Administrative Costs $800,000
Program Costs:
National $500,000
International $600,000
Publications- monthly $400,000 ..."
"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
I don't believe it is likely (okay, possible) to get 3000 more members in a year or two without giving away free memberships. However, this isn't the first time that someone has made this sort of promise. I present: http://chess.ca/sites/default/files/06-07gl6.pdf
Who won an election for CFC President with this as part of his platform? To his credit he did predict that Carlsen would be world champion in 2020 and I think that's got a good chance of happening. :-) The rest, not so much.
"...Vision 2020:
Self help guru StevenCovey says one should begin with the end in mind.
My dream isto see a WorldChessChampion from Canada.
Please indulge me for a moment:
The year is 2020, ourCanadianChampion hasjust defeated Magnus Carlsen for all the marbles. Our
Federation’s annualreport containsthese hi-lites:
Adult Membership @$50.00 15,000 = $750,000
Youth membership @ $30.00 30,000 = $900,000
RetailCommissions @ 3% of $4,000,000 = $120,000
Rating Fees @$3.00 per player/event = $300,000
Program Sponsors = $200,000
Program Fundraisers within the membership = $200,000
Foundation and investment income = $ 30,000
TotalRevenue $2,500,000
Administrative Costs $800,000
Program Costs:
National $500,000
International $600,000
Publications- monthly $400,000 ..."
We have six years. Lets get it done!
I think we could have a lot of members if we only charged $1 or so as the Turkish Federation did.
I don't believe it is likely (okay, possible) to get 3000 more members in a year or two without giving away free memberships. However, this isn't the first time that someone has made this sort of promise. I present: http://chess.ca/sites/default/files/06-07gl6.pdf
Who won an election for CFC President with this as part of his platform? To his credit he did predict that Carlsen would be world champion in 2020 and I think that's got a good chance of happening. :-) The rest, not so much.
"...Vision 2020:
Self help guru StevenCovey says one should begin with the end in mind.
My dream isto see a WorldChessChampion from Canada.
Please indulge me for a moment:
The year is 2020, ourCanadianChampion hasjust defeated Magnus Carlsen for all the marbles. Our
Federation’s annualreport containsthese hi-lites:
Adult Membership @$50.00 15,000 = $750,000
Youth membership @ $30.00 30,000 = $900,000
RetailCommissions @ 3% of $4,000,000 = $120,000
Rating Fees @$3.00 per player/event = $300,000
Program Sponsors = $200,000
Program Fundraisers within the membership = $200,000
Foundation and investment income = $ 30,000
TotalRevenue $2,500,000
Administrative Costs $800,000
Program Costs:
National $500,000
International $600,000
Publications- monthly $400,000 ..."
You would be surprised what becomes likely with enough money.
The worst thing that can happen would be to win the CFC presidency and have to deal with Michael Barron on a day to day basis. I predict Bob Gillanders will go crazy in that scenario.
Lol, that's priceless!
Mr. Barron is a man of many talents as mentioned before.
He was kind enough to give me a stern lecture recently on
a shenanigans initiated by a doofus Milky Wart from the ACC.
We have no dog in this election fight, but as I told Mr. Barron,
"A cat may look at a king!"
It's a busy day for me so I'll not go into detail on all topics you raise but quickly try and answer a few.
First, when I mentioned the CFC needing input from professionals I did not mean to suggest that it doesn't benefit from the contributors who are already there. I was speaking of additional individuals such as professional fund-raisers.
We have spoken with professional fund-raisers. Our experience in Windsor with professional fundraisers is that while they can produce some small sponsorships the costs seem to outweigh the funds raised.
I completely agree with you that it is important the federation be truly national and include Quebec. Prior to the current initiatives in Quebec, I was of the mind that the CFC should simply be running CFC events there and those who chose to play and be CFC members could. Now things have changed a little and I would like to see more done.
I also agree that the CFC needs value added initiatives to attract new members. When I mentioned the banks as an example I was referring to establishing partnerships with several entities. The Stratford Festival has it's own credit card and many national federations have arrangements with insurance companies etc. to give added value to members.
Regarding the CFC nomination for Kirsan I'm very much of the mind that Hal and Vlad have wanted FIDE to win from day one
I must confess that I did want FIDE to win from day one. I also wanted the CFC to win. Like you I have come to the conclusion that both FIDE and the CFC win with Kirsan in charge of FIDE.
and some of the strategies implemented clearly seemed be based on quickly getting the endorsement in place. You may be concerned about some of the Kasparov campaign tactics, but at the same time Vlad and others are ignoring the merits of Kasparov and long time wrong doings of Kirsan.
Which Kasparov campaign tactics do you believe we should be concerned about?
I don't think anyone at the CFC can feel too proud about the membership dive that's been occurring in recent years and I feel it's time to make many changes aimed at getting the CFC on a rapid upward growth trajectory.
What changes are you proposing?
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Thursday, 10th July, 2014, 10:23 PM.
The CFC needs to raise significant money in order to execute on its plan. Sasha has far greater access to sponsors through his allies then the incumbent. Before you worry about the details why don't you ask the incumbent how he plans to raise money that would make such an expansion even possible? 80k earmarked for a few tournaments from a sponsor with a track record of not delivering will not cut it.
The only ally Sasha has with access to money is you.
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