Kasparov the neo-conservative - II

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  • #31
    lecturing others on "legitimate protestors"

    That's quite hilarious with you lecturing anyone on "legitimate protestors" when, as you yourself have admitted in the very same posting, " I simply laugh at most Greenpeace stunts," indicating that you probably share the same contempt for environmentalists that the current regime in Ottawa does.

    Incidently, citing "national security", the Ottawa regime is increasing powers to the spy agency, CSIS, effectively making "human sources" beyond the reach of a defendant, so that no one accused of a crime against the state can challenge (cross-examine) the witnesses against them. Undoubtedly, this will apply not only to ISIS volunteers but anyone else who displease the authorities. Like those pesky environmentalists.

    New powers to CSIS causes serious human rights concerns.
    Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Friday, 17th October, 2014, 12:56 PM.
    Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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    • #32
      Re: lecturing others on "legitimate protestors"

      Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
      That's quite hilarious with you lecturing anyone on "legitimate protestors" when, as you yourself have admitted in the very same posting, " I simply laugh at most Greenpeace stunts," indicating that you probably share the same contempt for environmentalists that the current regime in Ottawa does.
      I thought you knew, Nigel. My dentist, banker, accountant and local politician are environmentalists. In fact, some of my best friends are environmentalists. I'm wondering if you are an environmentalist of convenience or if you are a true environmentalist. None of my environmentalist friends tried to justify Putin's detention of those Greenpeace protesters.

      However, I consider the governments stance on environmentalists and the environment to be enlightened. Particularly in delaying much needed SAFE oil and gas pipelines.

      You know, of course, the EU has dropped its move to declare the oil sands as dirty oil. It seems they fear they might need to import our oil. It's inconvenient for them to knock the source and then buy what they need.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/dirt...ttis-1.2791450

      Are you worried about the new powers for CSIS? I'm not.
      Gary Ruben
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      • #33
        OK, what have they been smoking?

        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
        Are you worried about the new powers for CSIS? I'm not.
        Any fool who says, "I don't need to worry about the government spying on me, since I have nothing to hide," is acknowledging that government spying and the violation of their privacy as legitimate, and, therefore, that they do not have a right to privacy. This is supporting a police state or Big Brother. Such a person has no business lecturing anyone on environmentalists or freedom, or anything else.

        It really is like shooting fish in a barrel with you. lol. But wait! I've saved the best for last.

        Greepeace denies NATO claims that they are working with "the Rooskies" to oppose fracking.

        Originally posted by NATO watch
        Meanwhile, Rasmussen has also claimed that Russian intelligence agencies are covertly funding and working with European environmental groups to campaign against fracking and maintain EU dependence on Russian gas. ...He declined to give fuller details of the alleged plot, but said: "That is my interpretation".

        NATO's claims were ridiculed by Greenpeace, which said: "The idea we’re puppets of Putin is so preposterous that you have to wonder what they’re smoking over at NATO HQ. Mr Rasmussen should spend less time dreaming up conspiracy theories and more time on the facts". "Fracked gas will probably cost more than Russian imports. There’s little chance fracking will generate more than a small fraction of Europe’s gas needs and it won’t even do that for at least ten years", the Greenpeace spokesman added.
        aha ha ha ha ha! Priceless! You can't make this sh*t up!

        So, what have YOU been smoking?
        Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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        • #34
          To Putin's apologist.

          Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post

          Any fool who says, "I don't need to worry about the government spying on me, since I have nothing to hide," is acknowledging that government spying and the violation of their privacy as legitimate, and, therefore, that they do not have a right to privacy. This is supporting a police state or Big Brother. Such a person has no business lecturing anyone on environmentalists or freedom, or anything else.

          [/B]
          I can easily say I have nothing to hide. It's not my concern, nor business, if YOU have something to hide. By you suggesting I oppose a government initiative, on what I consider YOUR delusional fears, would be my looking after your ideological interests rather than my own.

          I'm not the one trying to justify Putin holding the environmentalists until a healthy bond was paid.

          To refresh your memory from the Daily Mail:

          "UN-mandated tribunal has ordered Russia to immediately release a Greenpeace ship and crew in return for a 3.6 million euro (£3 million) bond"


          Looks to me like Putin is a capitalist.

          Your posts on environmental issues will be looked at with skepticism from me after our recent exchange of posts. Political rantings and I'll have to decide which I think have passion and which are for other purposes.
          Gary Ruben
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          • #35
            incoherent arguments don't give the state the right to violate privacy

            Maybe I should type slower or something. You seem to have missed the point about the importance of privacy. Just because one person is happy to have Big Brother peering into every aspect of their life, by no means provides any sort of argument that the privacy of other people can or should be violated.

            If you are truly indifferent to other people, their interests, and their privacy, then why bother debating political subjects at all? Your arguments are incoherent.
            Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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            • #36
              Reply to paranoia.

              Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post

              Maybe I should type slower or something. You seem to have missed the point about the importance of privacy. Just because one person is happy to have Big Brother peering into every aspect of their life, by no means provides any sort of argument that the privacy of other people can or should be violated.
              You haven't convinced me my privacy is in danger and I don't care if yours is. From what you're writing probably you can look after yourself and your privacy.

              Personally, I think Canada has good record on the environment. As an example, when a company wants to build a pipeline in Canada there are environmental studies and lots of hearings. On the other hand, in Russia, when Putin wants to build a pipeline he simply builds it. Environment isn't a concern for the Russian portion of the line.

              I'm not the one trying to justify Putin jailing the Greenpeace protesters.
              Gary Ruben
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              • #37
                Re: Reply to paranoia.

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                I'm not the one trying to justify Putin jailing the Greenpeace protesters.
                It appears that we will soon wax nostalgic for the days when all we had to worry about was Greenpeace eco-terrorists. The oftentimes photogenic protesters are getting a lesson in choosing the scene of your battles wisely.

                Kasparov clearly has some issues with Putin which magnify his importance relative to all other threats to world peace.

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                • #38
                  Kasparov blames Russian President Putin for supporting terrorism in France

                  Kasparov blames Russian President Putin for "supporting" terrorism in France. Sadly, I am not kidding here.

                  Horrific terrorist murders in Paris today. The free world's enemies are best defined by their targets: free speech, education, equality. The goal of terrorists is not just to kill those who oppose them, but to frighten us into becoming like them: Closed, bigoted, barbaric. But we do not lose to terrorists & dictators by dying. We lose by refusing to fight, to die or to kill, for the values they are trying to destroy. This isn't support for "understanding" jihadists, by the way. Their actions speak clearly! Extremists are not deterred or eliminated by tolerance, only encouraged. Good luck showing your tolerance and understanding for a crocodile's appetite when your leg is already halfway down its throat.

                  And please do not fall into the trap of saying the French cartoonists "provoked" the terrorists or in any way deserved to be murdered. Everything "provokes" someone, somewhere. Do we let that define what we can and cannot say, write, and do? No. Free speech is or it is not.

                  Of course the Putin's army of propaganda trolls are out in force supporting the Charlie Hebdo attackers. Officially, the Kremlin must publicly condemn Paris terror, but it actively supports the same agenda of censorship & hatred of free society, including violence. ISIS, Al Qaeda, and dictators all over the world share a common enemy defined by values. They all know that if democracy and individual rights for all triumph, their days are over.
                  The guy who believes in space aliens seems much more reasonable.
                  Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Kasparov the neo-conservative - II

                    Gary's statement:

                    "Officially, the Kremlin must publicly condemn Paris terror, but it actively supports the same agenda of censorship & hatred of free society, including violence. ISIS, Al Qaeda, and dictators all over the world share a common enemy defined by values. They all know that if democracy and individual rights for all triumph, their days are over."

                    Gary is 100% correct. Don't worry Nigel the love of your life is going down and fast! At the rate they are trying to prop up the Ruble their 1100 tonnes of gold (34 billion dollars) will last barely a month. No Rubles worth anything to pay off the muscle (the army that protects him) and he is GONE CHECKMATE! That's some "golden trap" your genius has set. It never ceases to amaze me that you haven't gone to Russia yet. For God's sake man go already!!! They welcome naive morons like you that they can manipulate so easily. Ask Mr Depardieu or Mr Snowden how wonderful it is there.

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                    • #40
                      supplemental - what did GK write, anyway?

                      Just to repeat the quotation:

                      Originally posted by Gary Kasparov
                      Of course the Putin's army of propaganda trolls are out in force supporting the Charlie Hebdo attackers.
                      Seems pretty clear. Your non-sequitur regarding my prospective travel plans changes nothing. And I really don't understand why you would mention Edward Snowden whose refugee status in Russia has saved him from languishing in a U.S. dungeon, being tortured like C. Manning, or both. President Obama has taunted Snowden, challenging the latter to return to the U.S. to "face the music" of a show trial in which Snowden would be prohibited from being allowed to defend himself in a manner of his own choosing. Bad example there. For Edward Snowden, Russia quite literally means freedom.

                      Kasparov has, in any case, been for some time now passed over in favor of A. Navalny as the "fiercest" critic of Putin. Navalny now gets the blessing of the U.S. State Department and fawning MSM coverage [despite some very ugly ethnic remarks, charges of embezzlement, etc., etc.] that Kasparov lacks. The caravan really has moved on.
                      Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Thursday, 8th January, 2015, 03:41 AM.
                      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                      • #41
                        Re: supplemental - what did GK write, anyway?

                        Of course the Putin's army of propaganda trolls are out in force supporting the Charlie Hebdo attackers.

                        Do you have proof that this is not true?

                        For Edward Snowden, Russia quite literally means freedom.

                        Edward Snowden himself has said that he is not happy with how the government operates in Russia. He had no intention of going there, he was duped by some FSB agents in Hong Kong when he was under the impression that Russia was a temporary stop enroute to Ecuador. just like you, another naive fool being used by the Russians.

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                        • #42
                          Re: supplemental - what did GK write, anyway?

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                          Last edited by Gary Ruben; Thursday, 8th January, 2015, 09:05 PM. Reason: deleted
                          Gary Ruben
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                          • #43
                            Snowden says " .... the US gov't decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow"

                            Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
                            Edward Snowden himself has said that he is not happy with how the government operates in Russia. He had no intention of going there, he was duped by some FSB agents in Hong Kong when he was under the impression that Russia was a temporary stop enroute to Ecuador. just like you, another naive fool being used by the Russians.
                            lol. You've got to read more than neo-conservative bullhorns like The New Republic, Sid.

                            Originally posted by Edward Snowden
                            "The reality is I never intended to end up in Russia," he said. "I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow airport.”

                            "So when people ask why are you in Russia, I say, 'Please ask the State Department,'” he added.
                            Source?

                            " In an interview with NBC News’ Brian Williams, Snowden added that those who question his intentions in seeking asylum in Russia should “ask the State Department” why he is stranded in Moscow."

                            Supplemental: from the Washington Post.

                            A sober Snowden deems life in Russia ‘great’

                            Edward Snowden would like everyone – especially his critics – to know that he is happy with life in Russia. Happy, and also sober.

                            “They talk about Russia like it’s the worst place on earth. Russia's great,” the former NSA contractor told journalist James Bamford during an interview in Moscow for the PBS program "NOVA," which released a transcript of the conversation Thursday.

                            During the interview, Snowden focused on a speech that former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden had given in which he predicted that Snowden would be depressed and drunk.

                            “It was funny because he was talking about how I was – everybody in Russia is miserable. Russia is a terrible place,” Snowden recalled, hat-tipping Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman’s coverage of the September 2013 speech. “And I’m going to end up miserable and I’m going to be a drunk and I’m never going to do anything.”
                            Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Monday, 12th January, 2015, 03:15 PM. Reason: recent comments from whistleblower and national hero, Ed Snowden
                            Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Snowden says " .... the US gov't decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Mos

                              lol. You've got to read more than neo-conservative bullhorns like The New Republic, Sid.

                              Nigel, You are just a mushroom in the dark fed bullshit from Pravda. I thought you might be a paid mouthpiece for Russia but even they would not hire you.You just don't have it. If Snowden could have seen beyond the tip of his naive and stupidly idealistic brain he should have calculated that his passport would have been revoked by the US. Here is the story within the intelligence community of how Russia put it up Snowden's you know what....
                              http://intelnews.org/2014/06/09/01-1492/
                              Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 8th January, 2015, 11:09 PM.

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                              • #45
                                ad hominem = you lose the argument

                                Someone who can't argue without throwing around infantile insults worthy of a teenager doesn't really deserve a reply.

                                Have a nice day.
                                Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Saturday, 17th January, 2015, 04:11 PM. Reason: Taylor Swift, natch!
                                Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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