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I understand Nigel, the truth hurts, your fascist hero buggered your beloved Snowden. Yes, you really have been sold a bill of goods. Every fringe fascist group in Europe is now being financed by your hero. It is understandable that you are upset. My sincere condolences. Your paradigm is dying right before your eyes. You can take solace in the fact that you have not left for Russia yet. Take it easy my friend, this too will pass. They will be out of power soon enough.
Garry Kasparov has, once again, shown how completely out of touch with political reality he is. The recent murder of Boris Nemtsov in Moscow has brought forth all of Kasparov's ghoulish enthusiasm for war, hatred, and Russophobia. This time, however, even the Russian "opposition' doesn't share his dour and negative views.
Originally posted by Andrew Korybko
Nemtsov's assassination has served its purpose, and that's to radicalize the externally supported 'opposition' in Moscow. Take a look at what Kasparov just said:
""Boris hoped, in vain as we understand, to see some form of peaceful transition into normal, civilized democratic government," Kasparov told Reuters, describing Nemtsov as one of Russia's leading advocates for non-violent political expression.
"I see no chance for Russia now to move from Putin's brutal dictatorship into something that will be even (as) mild as we had 10 years ago," he said, predicting it could take a violent mass uprising if change was to come."
In essence, he's calling for violent regime change in his own home country, using Nemtsov's assassination as 'justification'. Anyone affiliated with the Russian 'opposition' should be absolutely disgusted by this and should disown Kasparov immediately.
Let's try to parse Kasparov's nonsense one claim at a time.
1. Nemtsov hasn't been a "leading advocate" of anything, except dating women half his age, generally being a playboy, and cheerleading the brutal regime in Kiev for a very long time. 20 years ago many people in Russia knew his name but he became, much like Kasparov, yesterday's man. Most ordinary Russians never heard of him until this brutal murder.
How much of a threat did Nemtsov pose to Putin? None at all. He was against Crimea's re-joining Russia, supported Victoria Nuland's approach of ripping Ukraine, through a violent coup d'etat last Febraury, away from its historic partner and into the brutal EU austerity orbit, and blamed "pro-Russian" separatists for the downing of MH-17. None of those will, or did, win him any popularity in Russia. Ziltch. It strains credulity that he was viewed as a threat. And, importantly, even the Western-approved "opposition" in Russia doesn't buy that pig in a poke about the Kremlin having anything to do with this.
The last time Nemtsov showed up in public in Moscow was to appear at the US Embassy. For instructions. This is the view of the typical Moscovite in the street.
Kasparov is really way, way out in the deep end on this one. But, then again, this seems to correspond to the feverish narrative of Washington, so his views get plenty of airing.
2. Putin, the "evil tyrant" has over 80% of public support in that country. It's well documented. Some tyrant. The real opposition, which has been the 2nd strongest political force in Russia for a very long time, after Putin's United Russia, is the Communists. The Communists get zero coverage in the West generally. I can't imagine why. ha ha. I guess their opposition isn't the right kind of opposition, i.e., the Western approved sort. What passes for "leading expressions" of opposition by Reuters et al are those "limousine liberals" who are the subject of contempt and the butt of jokes. Like Garry Kasparov, who has faced flying dildos. They really take him seriously over there.
3. But Americans love to rush to judgment. And Kasparov really seems to have absorbed all the bad things about the USA and none of the good things. Hence the innuendo about the need for violent change, etc.. Will the opposition disown Kasparov? They should. Otherwise, their credibility will drop even lower.
4. The US loves to "pick winners" in other countries, many of whom they support covertly, etc. Just remember Victoria Nuland's "f*ck the EU" and their chosen pick, Yatsenyuk, who shortly after a secret conversation by coup sponsors in the US and EU, became the chosen PM in Ukraine. The Americans' in their infinite hubris, think they have the right to choose other governments around the world. Kasparov has, dutifully, stepped into line on this monstrously cynical view. However, Nemtsov, contrary to US fantasies, simply doesn't have the support and for very good reasons.
4. Former Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev has said that we should wait for the police to do their work, but even he has already suggested that this could very well be a "false flag" operation. That's Gorbachev.
5. Many sober-minded commentators note that the neo-cons, the feverish group that Kasparov belongs to, became apoplectic after Russian President Putin pulled US President Obama's chestnuts out of the fire in regard to Syria, and they didn't get the war they want. This was in 2013 following proof that they alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime was a lie on the scale of the Iraqi WMDs by Saad'am Hussein. The neo-cons wanted revenge on Russia for not getting their much-loved war, and, since that time, much of the MSM has been awash with a steady Russophobia and comparisons of Putin with Hitler, Jenghiz Khan, and baby killers.
Kasparov has lapped this narrative up like my late cat lapped up the juice from the tinned salmon I gave her. Giddily. Incidently, the neo-cons are just as angry about Minsk-2 (the ceasefire deal recently arranged involving Merkel et al) as they were about no war in Syria. They are frothingly outraged.
And that's something to think about. Who gets angry over the lack of war?
Why, Garry Kasparov, that's who. What sensible human being can support such views?
Garry Kimovich should stick to chess. His accomplishments in that regard are still admired all over the world. However, as with the late Bobby Fischer and his ugly anti-Semitism, Kasparov's political views do him no credit at all.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Monday, 2nd March, 2015, 04:16 PM.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Garry Kasparov has, once again, shown how completely out of touch with political reality he is. The recent murder of Boris Nemtsov in Moscow has brought forth all of Kasparov's ghoulish enthusiasm for war, hatred, and Russophobia. This time, however, even the Russian "opposition' doesn't share his dour and negative views.
Let's try to parse Kasparov's nonsense one claim at a time.
1. Nemtsov hasn't been a "leading advocate" of anything, except dating women half his age, generally being a playboy, and cheerleading the brutal regime in Kiev for a very long time. 20 years ago many people in Russia knew his name but he became, much like Kasparov, yesterday's man. Most ordinary Russians never heard of him until this brutal murder.
How much of a threat did Nemtsov pose to Putin? None at all. He was against Crimea's re-joining Russia, supported Victoria Nuland's approach of ripping Ukraine, through a violent coup d'etat last Febraury, away from its historic partner and into the brutal EU austerity orbit, and blamed "pro-Russian" separatists for the downing of MH-17. None of those will, or did, win him any popularity in Russia. Ziltch. It strains credulity that he was viewed as a threat. And, importantly, even the Western-approved "opposition" in Russia doesn't buy that pig in a poke about the Kremlin having anything to do with this.
The last time Nemtsov showed up in public in Moscow was to appear at the US Embassy. For instructions. This is the view of the typical Moscovite in the street.
Kasparov is really way, way out in the deep end on this one. But, then again, this seems to correspond to the feverish narrative of Washington, so his views get plenty of airing.
2. Putin, the "evil tyrant" has over 80% of public support in that country. It's well documented. Some tyrant. The real opposition, which has been the 2nd strongest political force in Russia for a very long time, after Putin's United Russia, is the Communists. The Communists get zero coverage in the West generally. I can't imagine why. ha ha. I guess their opposition isn't the right kind of opposition, i.e., the Western approved sort. What passes for "leading expressions" of opposition by Reuters et al are those "limousine liberals" who are the subject of contempt and the butt of jokes. Like Garry Kasparov, who has faced flying dildos. They really take him seriously over there.
3. But Americans love to rush to judgment. And Kasparov really seems to have absorbed all the bad things about the USA and none of the good things. Hence the innuendo about the need for violent change, etc.. Will the opposition disown Kasparov? They should. Otherwise, their credibility will drop even lower.
4. The US loves to "pick winners" in other countries, many of whom they support covertly, etc. Just remember Victoria Nuland's "f*ck the EU" and their chosen pick, Yatsenyuk, who shortly after a secret conversation by coup sponsors in the US and EU, became the chosen PM in Ukraine. The Americans' in their infinite hubris, think they have the right to choose other governments around the world. Kasparov has, dutifully, stepped into line on this monstrously cynical view. However, Nemtsov, contrary to US fantasies, simply doesn't have the support and for very good reasons.
4. Former Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev has said that we should wait for the police to do their work, but even he has already suggested that this could very well be a "false flag" operation. That's Gorbachev.
5. Many sober-minded commentators note that the neo-cons, the feverish group that Kasparov belongs to, became apoplectic after Russian President Putin pulled US President Obama's chestnuts out of the fire in regard to Syria, and they didn't get the war they want. This was in 2013 following proof that they alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime was a lie on the scale of the Iraqi WMDs by Saad'am Hussein. The neo-cons wanted revenge on Russia for not getting their much-loved war, and, since that time, much of the MSM has been awash with a steady Russophobia and comparisons of Putin with Hitler, Jenghiz Khan, and baby killers.
Kasparov has lapped this narrative up like my late cat lapped up the juice from the tinned salmon I gave her. Giddily. Incidently, the neo-cons are just as angry about Minsk-2 (the ceasefire deal recently arranged involving Merkel et al) as they were about no war in Syria. They are frothingly outraged.
And that's something to think about. Who gets angry over the lack of war?
Why, Garry Kasparov, that's who. What sensible human being can support such views?
Garry Kimovich should stick to chess. His accomplishments in that regard are still admired all over the world. However, as with the late Bobby Fischer and his ugly anti-Semitism, Kasparov's political views do him no credit at all.
Blunt, and yet somehow possessed of a special eloquence and charm (not to mention accuracy). This, imo, is one of the all-time top ten ChessTalk posts! There needs to be a ChessTalk Hall of Fame!
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Blunt, and yet somehow possessed of a special eloquence and charm (not to mention accuracy). This, imo, is one of the all-time top ten ChessTalk posts! There needs to be a ChessTalk Hall of Fame!
Yes,accurate indeed,no doubt that what come out of this guys mouth is coming out of the wrong orifice.
The article is full of self-evident fabrications, falsehoods, etc., and it would probably take an even longer article to debunk all of them. The general tone is clearly one of nostalgia for the frothing hatred of the cold war. Talk about living in the past. And sometimes, the claims are just out to lunch, e.g., Kasparov wants to rally the "free world" to a war on many fronts against the Russian "dictator", suppling "defensive arms" to the Kievan junta, interfering in the internal politics in Russia, with a blockade ("quarantine" he calls it, like some kind of "infection" that needs to be "cleansed", etc.). Kasparov wants the "appeasement" to end, finds fault with the current US President for being "soft" on Russia, etc., etc., etc.. Right out of the looney right.
I'm only a little surprised that there is no reference to Russia or Putin sapping the vital bodily fluids of Western Civilization, some shrill reference to fluoridated water, and calls to check under the bed for Reds.
Mind you, he's not actually calling for thermonuclear war just yet. All that needs to be done, he says, is for Putin to be "made to look like a loser". lol. No, I'm not kidding.
It's like reading a comic book from the 1950's. The more of this stuff I read, the sadder it gets. Infantile, even.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Susan Polgar has a piece about Ilyumzhinov vs Kasparov. The latter has managed to insult a whole swath of people all at once.
Classy.
On 2nd of July, FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov visited Lviv ( Ukraine ) and had a meeting with the President of Ukraine, Petr Poroshenko and the Mayor of Lviv, A.Sadoviy. It was announced that the Women’s World Championship Match between the Women World Champion Ukrainian, Maria Muzychuk and the Chinese challenger, Hou Yifan will be organized in Lviv. In an interview published on the Ukrainian website obozrevatel.com, the 13th World Champion, Garry Kasparov expresses his serious doubts about the goals of the meeting. The FIDE President gives his comments on this issue:
In one interview Garry Kasparov has succeeded to insult everybody – the President of Ukraine, Petr Poroshenko, the government of Lviv, including its Mayor Andrey Sadoviy, the President of the Ukrainian Chess Federation, Viktor Kapustin, the current Women’s World Champion, Maria Muzychuk, the President of FIDE and of course FIDE itself. Kasparov lost the FIDE elections in 2014 but still does his best to damage chess by mixing chess and politics and inventing fairy tales to support his political agenda. He has become professional in this attitude but this is Garry. He doesn’t care about chess, but only about himself and his political goals.
Garry is a great player and a better liar! He says that FIDE has huge financial problems and that normally FIDE pays to organize FIDE events. The information of our budget is opened to everybody and Garry knows very well that FIDE is in a good financial situation. Above this he knows that FIDE always tries to find sponsors and organizers for World Championship events and for years we have succeeded to organize all of them without spending any money from the FIDE budget. I should also say that for me the most important is who is the organizer, and for the Women’s World Championship Match, we have an excellent organizer.
I was very glad when the governments of Ukraine and Lviv invited me to attend a meeting to discuss the proposal to organize the Women’s World Championship Match in Ukraine . Only Kasparov, with his great ability to imagine things that do not exist, could consider my visit as a part of “the disruption of the Ukrainian state”. The interest in chess in Ukraine has been increasing ever since Anna Ushenina became the Women’s World Champion in 2012 and continues to increase even more so following the victory of Maria Muzychuk in Sochi in 2015. Garry Kasparov is jealous because he is not the one who is proposing to organize the Match in Lviv and Ukraine and he is trying to damage the event by insulting everybody involved.
A great player and a better liar! Who said you can't compliment and mock someone at the same time?
Kasparov and Leong banned from FIDE office for 2 years
Garry Kasparov and Ignatius Leong have been banned by the FIDE Ethics Commission for a period of 2 years " from holding any office or position within FIDE, including its member federations, continental associations or any other affiliated international organisations, as well as participating in any FIDE meeting as delegate, proxy-holder or other representative of a FIDE member."
Garry Kasparov and Ignatius Leong have been banned by the FIDE Ethics Commission for a period of 2 years " from holding any office or position within FIDE, including its member federations, continental associations or any other affiliated international organisations, as well as participating in any FIDE meeting as delegate, proxy-holder or other representative of a FIDE member."
Kasparov apologetics for fascists Pinochet and Franco
A linked article (1999) confirms Kasparov's support for (genuine) fascists like Pinochet and Franco. Can't say that I'm all that surprised. But it will make for some difficult acrobatics for those used to denouncing critics of Kasparov as fascists.
The comments are made in an article by John Watson in which he argues, generally, for keeping politics out of chess. And on his general point, I think most would agree. It's actually a pretty good article on that point.
[He] ... is currently serving as a ‘contributing editor’ on the Wall Street Journal editorial page, a notorious haven for right-wing hacks. Kasparov’s editorials fit right in; they are embarrassing reproductions of vulgar far-right rhetoric. ...As an example, and again in the grand style of the Soviet propagandists (but from the right, of course), Kasparov recently reproduced the standard apologetics for two repressive dictators friendly to Western business interests (and beloved by the Wall Street Journal): Franco and Pinochet. His ‘analysis’ would do Pravda proud; he reveals a complete ignorance of the history of the countries involved, and adopts the unbelievably strained logic of the ‘benevolent authoritarianism’ ...
Watson is obviously very critical of the former Soviet regime. But he doesn't therefore buy the crap that Kasparov has been selling. Says Watson, " Like other ex-Soviets, he imagines himself expert in the area of US and Western foreign affairs." The Cold War created some very stupid situations - one of which was that sometimes any lie was OK as long as it served the cause. And obviously Kasparov's fabrications were very helpful ...
We don't rely on hockey players for political wisdom. Why should chess players be treated any differently? No. Make a good argument or be ready for a tough rebuttal. Which is how it should be.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
We don't rely on hockey players for political wisdom. Why should chess players be treated any differently? No. Make a good argument or be ready for a tough rebuttal. Which is how it should be.
Thanks for the link. A good read!
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
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