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1. different for no valid reason, except its the women's championship;
2. Hate to give FIDE any credit for anything, given their abysmal track record; BUT...FIDE now has a fixed 2 year cycle (World Cup; Grand Prix; Candidates Tournament; WCC Match) which seems scheduled in for a few years coming up....FIDE has never achieved that before (not to say Kirsan won't on a whim interfere......but I think the new company FIDE has contracted with to run the WCC cycle, seems to have some backbone in holding FIDE to its contract (prior private enterprises either did not, or Kirsan was involved in the company....conflict of interest anyone?
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So does it bother you that the rules for the World Senior Championship are different than either the World Championship or Women's World Championship?
The women are playing for a championship which isn't available to men.
I think it's a good deal for them.
Hi Gary:
I'm not concerned that the men can't play in the women's or that there is no "Men's Championship". They dominate the gender neutral system.....they play in the best forum. Though there is certainly no good reason we are aware of that there could not be a "Men Only" tournament, the same as for juniors, seniors, red-headed Torontonians, etc.
But I do agree its a good deal for the women...and justified.
Because of societal discrimination, both past and continuing, women have been restrained from exercising full potential.
And so they are behind in numbers of areas (though those are slowly becoming a bit fewer).
The question then becomes how to increase the rate of catch-up.
In chess, there is a definite male culture to chess, since males have always been the elite, and peopled the local chess club. This is somewhat of a problem for the minority of women who want to play high-level chess, or any chess. I feel we are seeing less of that problem at the elite levels now. Women are comfortable playing in a less-male environment than it used to be .....Judit Polgar, Yifan Hou, Natalia Pogonina, etc. But the problem still does exist, and moreso the lower down the competitive level.
So what is being tried is a "separate incubator system" - the atmosphere is more welcoming, encouraging women to play chess without the hurdle of adapting to a male environment, which may be a bit of a trial to them they will not take on just to play chess. Secondly, the women, since behind, will win few tournaments where males are involved (until they catch up); but we all like incentives to compete, and the satisfaction of achieving "wins" - so there is indeed as well a separate "FIDE Title System", just for women. This gives them some pat on the back, while they improve....they can set achieving their title goals, and accomplish them..encourages them to continue on in chess.
What is the goal of all this?......to have women reach a skill and comfort level to graduate over into the gender neutral system, just like the top women players I've mentioned. The system IS WORKING......though slowly....takes time.....you need a critical mass of women at the entry level to increase the odds of educating the talented.
Also, no one bright has come up with a better catch-up system.
Hope we've clearly put our argument as to why a separate women's system, is still, at present necessary. At some not too distant future date, when women are more fully participating, the incubator system will be abandoned, along with separate women's titles, and all will play for the gender neutral titles.......that day is clearly NOT HERE YET.
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Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 4th March, 2015, 07:15 AM.
So does it bother you that the rules for the World Senior Championship are different than either the World Championship or Women's World Championship?
Hi Roger:
Seems to us there are good arguments for the "Open (gender-neutral; age neutral)" System being duplicated in the separate "Women's Incubator System" (the system is one thing; prize money can legitimately differ).
However we do not see that that system need be the model for a Seniors, Junior, World Youth Championship U 8, Cadet, Red-heads, etc. World Championship. To some degree, I think each of the other two systems are the least restrictive, and so the systems should be identical: World Cup; Grand Prix; Candidates Tournament; Championship Match. And the beauty of it is, that the women's system already has all the parts in place.....they are just not in the right places yet.....I guess its been somewhat chaotic evolution to get the women's system where it has to be.
I'm not concerned that the men can't play in the women's or that there is no "Men's Championship". They dominate the gender neutral system.....they play in the best forum. Though there is certainly no good reason we are aware of that there could not be a "Men Only" tournament, the same as for juniors, seniors, red-headed Torontonians, etc.
But I do agree its a good deal for the women...and justified.
I don't agree it's justified and have no idea with whom you are agreeing.
A men's only event might not be legal in this country.
The others you mentioned are not closed to women.
Vera Menchik and her success in events decades ago is proof that women did well against top male players as well as other women.
Canadian chess could use some work to build it up and might be a more worthy project that highlighting women's events. They didn't lose their members in one year and I suspect they won't rebuild the game in that time either. Canada has some very good chess players. They just don't seem to play much in Canada.
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