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1. Attractive and Guaranteed Prize Fund for all Sections. The organizer was willing to take risk.
2. Excellent and accessible playing venue.
3. Attracted several US Grandmasters like Nakamura, Shabalov, Friedel and Perelshteyn.
4. Awoke several dormant or hibernating chess players.
5. For what I heard, the venue was not wide enough to accommodate more players and even closed the registration for late registrants.
Hi Mark,
You should join this tournament then on the below link. Satisfy most of your points.....
1. Attractive and Guaranteed Prize Fund for all Sections. The organizer was willing to take risk.
2. Excellent and accessible playing venue.
3. Attracted several US Grandmasters like Nakamura, Shabalov, Friedel and Perelshteyn.
4. Awoke several dormant or hibernating chess players.
5. For what I heard, the venue was not wide enough to accommodate more players and even closed the registration for late registrants.
Sounds like you'd like every tournament be like a World Open.
Falls is a small local event. What are your ideal tournament suggestions for a Local event?
The best way is to attract sponsors. CMA has sponsored several chess futurity events, to provide international title norm opportunities for promising young Canadian players.
From my experience the cost of playing in a US norm tournament is approx. USD 2000 (travel and accommodation for 2 people plus the entry fee). This is the average from 4 Continental Chess Association tournaments (North American Open in Las Vegas, Chicago Open, Philadelphia Open and World Open in Washington). If you skip the Las Vegas tournament and you're willing to sit in a car for 7-8 hours the cost is around USD 1000 per tournament. The chances of getting a substantial prize money in these tournaments are low because they only have U2500 prizes (no more U2400 in the open section).
The entry fees in a First Saturday GM tournament are from EUR 250 to EUR 500 (depending on rating) plus EUR 6 (license to play in Hungary) plus EUR 15 (FIDE fees).
I'd prefer to pay an entry fee of CAD 500 in a GM norm tournament organized in Toronto or GTA instead of going to US.
What other sports/games offer such high cash prizes (percentage-wise) to non-elite players? Should we expect tennis players not ranked in the top 100 be eligible for "top below 100th ranking" prizes almost equal to what the winner of the whole event would get? Do minor-league hockey/baseball/etc. players get paid as much as major-league players do?
Hugh, would it be true based on the above that you are against (or maybe just skeptical about) what Maurice Ashley is trying to do with his Millionaire Chess Open? Because one of the things he stresses is that this tournament is meant to offer significant prizes deep into each section, and that each section should have very significant top prizes, even the lower sections. Of course, to enable that, they have to charge large entry fees, and what they hope is that there are enough patzers who would pay that money just to be in the environment of such an event in the glamour of Las Vegas and the chance to be arms distance away from some of their chess heroes.
Do you see any hope that this concept can work? Their first event lost lots of money, they are nevertheless pressing on with the second event in October.
It is tempting but wrong to think chess can be equated with other sports / games. Chess has two overriding and unique characteristics: its results are by far the most highly predictable, and general public non-players cannot be lured into spectating chess on a regular basis (there are almost zero non-chess-playing chess fans). What this all means is that organized chess can only rely for funding on the people who truly love chess, and that is and will remain a very limited niche group of people.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
1. Attractive and Guaranteed Prize Fund for all Sections. The organizer was willing to take risk.
2. Excellent and accessible playing venue.
3. Attracted several US Grandmasters like Nakamura, Shabalov, Friedel and Perelshteyn.
4. Awoke several dormant or hibernating chess players.
5. For what I heard, the venue was not wide enough to accommodate more players and even closed the registration for late registrants.
Hi Mark,
Yes... the PwC Toronto Open was a huge success! Or was it?
- The organizer and other private sponsors LOST money (even though there were plenty sponsors)
- It was not ran again precisely because there were some key factors, primarily financial, that didn't allow the event to repeat itself
- It was a ridiculous amount of work - Organizers in general already input way more time than the trouble is worth, breaking even, running a loss, or making minimal profit that is totally not worth the finances of it all (one would make more money working minimum wage at a McDonalds, WAY more) - And PwC was only different in that the organizers input WAY more of their personal time than usual (remember, to come out with a serious loss in the end)
- There was definitely more space in the tournament hall - TWO or THREE people (only, in an otherwise field of 203 players) were turned away at the door. This was advertised in advance and for a change, the organizer enforced it, Kuddos to that! (many) Chess players have the horrendous habit of joining last minute (because they're spoiled princesses who know perfectly well whether they'll be available to play for 3 days straight 36 hours prior, but can't bother committing -- In fact for those undecided ones, I've never seen an organizer decline reimbursement in case of a last minute emergency preventing the player from participating)
It doesn't sound like you were actually there. Yes I can read reports on it too!
There were other mishaps as any colossal tournament like this is expected to have, no matter how much you plan, but no point getting into it.
However, the tournament was still labelled as a huge success! As it should be. Why?
Like you said...
- 203 players for a Toronto Weekender is unheard of these days.
- Sponsorship in chess is practically non-existent around here, so bringing these in is a big leap forward
- Grand Hotel! Class Act! Big Names!
Guaranteed Prize Fund, sensational! -- You mention in your points that 'The organizer was willing to take a risk' -- Why should that be viewed as such a good thing? It isn't your wallet! Why should organizers take such risks? In any case, guess why it wasn't made into an annual event?
Why is the tournament ideal? What made it so good? I am willing to listen to constructive criticism.
John Erickson
Your tournament sounds like a great event, but I haven't been able to play unless I scheduled vacation days. You have one of the best points of an ideal event: a proven record of excellence. People know it's an annual event.
The PWC Toronto Open had a hall with a high ceiling, quiet space, clean washrooms, on the subway line. It felt classy. One of its pluses, better than the World Open was generous board spacing, not elbow to elbow. Also equipment was provided. The sponsor's name is still on boards used in clubs and schools. The main sponsor was happy with Web clicks. The organizers went on to the Canadian Open and Olympiad bid. There will be another PWC Toronto Open in the future.
People like to win a prize, see their name in print.
Good llighting and temperature control, not too far to go to washroom, drinking water, or outside for a smoke. Other important things are cheap accomodation, free parking, and nearby cheap fast food.
Last edited by Erik Malmsten; Wednesday, 13th May, 2015, 07:50 AM.
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