The future of seniors chess in Canada

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  • The future of seniors chess in Canada

    In another thread I recently posted:
    ...how about a Canadian seniors chess organization (or program of the CFC) being created at some point?

    CFC President Vlad Drkulec replied:
    From what I see there is quite a movement for senior tournaments. Talk to your local chess organizer to add a seniors section.

    CFC Rating Auditor Paul Leblanc added:
    Kevin, your post reminds me that there has been an informal Canadian Senior Championship in Kitchener for the past few years. I use the term informal because as far as I know the CFC does not award this event through any approval process. I have never seen it discussed at a governors' meeting.
    BC has submitted a proposal to hold the 2016 Canadian Senior Championship in Vancouver using the formal event proposal format. If it is approved at the AGM that would be a good first step in the direction you suggest. Recognizing that this is completely off topic, perhaps it is worthy of a separate thread.



    My primary hope in raising the topic of the future of seniors chess in Canada is that developing competitive seniors chess to a greater extent would be to the benefit of the CFC and hopefully all of its members to at least some degree. Depending on the lower age limit used to define someone eligible for seniors events in Canada (or their sections, if any used), the topic of seniors chess is becoming of less and less academic interest for me personally since I'm relatively not so far from age 60. Perhaps quite a few senior players feel that winning the Canadian Senior Championship, and then travelling to the World Senior Championship (though with only some expenses paid for by the CFC) could be nice, but so might be having more competitive seniors events in Canada at some point.

    Possible issues for organizers or the CFC could be how to check the ages of competitors (a good idea even for junior chess, if it's not being done 100% of the time), whether to have some sort of CFC officer for seniors chess at some point, and whether to lower membership or entry fees for seniors at some point. Aside from that, there is the idea of (from within, or by the CFC) encouraging provincial associations or leagues to hold their own senior championships. There is also the thought of encouraging more seniors only clubs or events to be developed locally. [edit: developing an infrastructure for seniors chess in Canada certainly might well encourage more seniors to join the CFC as members, as at times, in the distant past at least (when the CFC was in better shape financially), I've encountered some seniors whose attitude was 'what's in it for me'? as far as joining went.]

    Adding a seniors section to local events already seems to face at least one problem for many organizers at the moment that I've already mentioned, namely checking for ages of the competitors. Hence I'm afraid that this may come up in any talks with an organizer, and that they may point out that the CFC does not (at least nowadays) generally require date of birth information from all of its members (afaik). Trusting that someone is a senior can often be harder than trusting that someone is a junior. Another problem that's possible is that at the moment in Canada it can often be tough drawing enough competitors to a competitive chess event, regardless of age, and so there can only be a handful of sections at best on many occasions, at least for events that are not restricted to seniors only.

    In spite of difficulties I've mentioned (real or possible), I still think it may be worth the CFC's while to at present try to lay any foundations it can for encouraging the development of Canadian seniors chess in Canada. Opening up bidding for a Canadian Senior Championship is a good first step.
    Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Sunday, 12th July, 2015, 11:02 PM.
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    Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

    My guess is that the future of senior chess in Canada will involve a lot of drivel about the good ol' days! :p

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      Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

      As with most chess activity it is the organizers more than the CFC that drive success or failure.
      We started out small 3 years ago with a group of 14 over 60yrs. The following two years we lowered the age to 50 and got 30 then 32 players. I'm confident that we will get more next year, especially if we hold the Canadian Senior.
      The success formula involves integrating some social activity with the chess, holding the event in a nice location and advertising far ahead of the event.
      We are seeing more and more players coming out of chess retirement to attend senior events.
      Paul Leblanc
      Treasurer Chess Foundation of Canada

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      • #4
        Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

        Originally posted by Paul Leblanc View Post
        We are seeing more and more players coming out of chess retirement to attend senior events.
        The Wood Sense Chess Club up island in Duncan has a curious mixture of children and seniors. There are a few adults in between teenage years and retirement, but not many. They are mostly the parents of the children there. The adults are mainly beginners who have learning chess in their bucket list.

        It's never too late. They just learn more slowly.
        Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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        • #5
          Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

          The future is bright with these kind of examples - European Team championship: http://www.europechess.org/european-...onship-started
          with additional links at the bottom.

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            Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

            Originally posted by Paul Leblanc View Post
            We are seeing more and more players coming out of chess retirement to attend senior events.
            I have to admit to giving some thought to it this year in the 65+ section. I even worked on some lines to play and tried them out online with good success. Combo Bombo stuff.

            Unfortunately, my problems got in the way and I had to let it go this year.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #7
              Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

              Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
              The Wood Sense Chess Club up island in Duncan has a curious mixture of children and seniors. There are a few adults in between teenage years and retirement, but not many. They are mostly the parents of the children there. The adults are mainly beginners who have learning chess in their bucket list.

              It's never too late. They just learn more slowly.

              How about a Seniors Armaggedon Bughouse Chess960Boxing Championship?

              Co-sponsored by Viagra and Depends.

              Players cannot agree on a draw... cannot be saved by the bell... must wipe drool off the board on their own time... pacemakers must be collected before the event, given back "after it's over".
              Only the rushing is heard...
              Onward flies the bird.

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              • #8
                2016 Seniors Bid

                I am happy to see BC's bid for the Seniors. It is a logical next step in the development of the program. My recommendation would be to hold separate competitions for each of the 50+ and 65+ categories.

                I tried an age category at my last Pro-Am. Even though it was a 6 player round robin I intend to continue with the section.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2016 Seniors Bid

                  It is at a different and lower level of competition, but, judging by the interest locally, many more seniors would be interested in learning to play even at their age. There is a deeper understanding of longevity, and, for example, an understanding of the necessity of keeping the brain active [borrowed from the trade union movement: "use it or lose it"] to improve both the quality and quantity of life. Look at the demographics. There is an enormous whack of old farts out there who, provided they are given an opportunity, want to learn to play chess. And this group is going to continue to grow. And they have money.

                  Think about it. Supplemental: Maybe a beginner's (senior) section, not necessarily even CFC members, just to give them a taste and an opportunity to see better chess. Oh, and to subsidize the better players. ha ha.
                  Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Wednesday, 15th July, 2015, 02:50 PM.
                  Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2016 Seniors Bid

                    Mississauga Open in August will feature a seniors section. :)

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                    • #11
                      Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

                      Paul Bonham; Your comments regarding seniors portray your ignorance about life. Were you trying to be humorous? Well, you are likely the only person laughing.

                      Onward to Kevin Pacey, Hal Bond, Bob Gillanders and others. I've played in the Canadian Seniors Championship since 2010 and, for myself, I see no need to have a separate section for seniors at local chess tournaments. I enjoy the variety of competition that one gets in playing in the under 2000 or the Open section. But, to each their own. If some seniors want the senior section in their local tournaments then let them play in that section.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

                        Paul Bonham; Your comments regarding seniors portray your ignorance about life. Were you trying to be humorous? Well, you are likely the only person laughing.

                        Onward to Kevin Pacey, Hal Bond, Bob Gillanders and others. I've played in the Canadian Seniors Championship since 2010 and, for myself, I see no need to have a separate section for seniors at local chess tournaments. I enjoy the variety of competition that one gets in playing in the under 2000 or the Open section. But, to each their own. If some seniors want the senior section in their local tournaments then let them play in that section.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The future of seniors chess in Canada

                          Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
                          My guess is that the future of senior chess in Canada will involve a lot of drivel about the good ol' days! :p
                          Except that, when it comes to chess, they really WERE the good old days in many ways: CFC membership was in the thousands and growing. Tournaments attracted hundreds of players (over 600 for one Canadian Open if I recall). Many people between 21 and 60 years of age found time to play in tournaments or at clubs. Of course, recent times have their advantages too- the impact of computers and the Internet (which is mainly positive in my opinion).

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                          • #14
                            Canadian chess history discussion

                            Originally posted by Ken Kurkowski View Post
                            Except that, when it comes to chess, they really WERE the good old days in many ways: CFC membership was in the thousands and growing. Tournaments attracted hundreds of players (over 600 for one Canadian Open if I recall). Many people between 21 and 60 years of age found time to play in tournaments or at clubs. Of course, recent times have their advantages too- the impact of computers and the Internet (which is mainly positive in my opinion).
                            In print, however, there is AFAIK, only one regular chess column in a mass newspaper in Canada remaining. That is Cecil Rosner's column in Winnipeg (Cecil took over after Daniel "Abe" Yanofsky). The plus side, despite the long past denouement of magazines like Exclam! , is that websites and zines provide much more timely information than heretofore.

                            But I still like my little collection of autographed Exclam!'s. And the few that I was lucky enough to edit.
                            Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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