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Naka has Black so thus has draw odds in his Armageddon game with Nepo.
Naka has Black so thus has draw odds in his Armageddon game with Nepo.
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Re: World Cup Baku 2015
World Cup Baku 2015
Nakamura wins!Comment
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Re: World Cup Baku 2015
It didn't take long to get a betting line for the Round of 16. I duly note that Andreikin has a slight edge against Karjakin at classical time controls, plus 2, minus 1, equal 8, and a bigger edge at quicker time controls, plus 4, minus 1, equal 3 (:
https://www.marathonbet.com/en/betting/Chess/Comment
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Re: World Cup Baku 2015
World Cup Baku 2015
September 19, 2015
Round Three Tiebreaks
What can be better on a Saturday morning than to be sipping your coffee and watching the tiebreak World Cup matches?
Nakamura’s ELOs are 2810 Classical, 2850 Rapid and 2887 Blitz.
Nepomniachtchi’s are 2706 Classical, 2789 Rapid and 2831 Blitz
But Nepo gave Nakamura a run for his money and almost pulled it off. This is the Armageddon game:
World Cup Baku 2015
Round 3, Armageddon, Sept. 19, 2015
Nepomniachtchi, Ian – Nakamura, Hikaru
A15 Reti, Bremen Variation
1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.O-O Nc6 7.Rb1 e5 8.b4 Be6 9.d3 h6 10.Nd2 Qc8 11.b5 Ne7 12.a4 Bh3 13.Bb2 Bxg2 14.Kxg2 Kh7 15.Nf3 c5 16.bxc6 Qxc6 17.Qb3 g5 18.e4 Nd7 19.Ba3 b6 20.Qb5 Nc5 21.Rfd1 f5 22.Bxc5 dxc5 23.a5 Qf6 24.Ne1 f4 25.Rd2 Nc6 26.Nd5 Qd6 27.axb6 axb6 28.Qb2 Rab8 29.f3 h5 30.Nc2 g4 31.Rf1 Qg6 32.Rdf2 Rf7 33.Qc1 Bh6 34.Qd1 Rg8 35.fxg4 hxg4 36.gxf4 g3 37.hxg3 Qxg3+ 38.Kh1 Rg4 39.Rh2 Rh4 40.Qe2 Rxh2+ 41.Qxh2 Qxd3 42.Re1 exf4 43.Qh5 Ne5 44.Rg1 Qf3+ 45.Qxf3 Nxf3 46.Rd1 Ne5 47.Nxb6 f3 48.Kg1 Ng4 49.Nd5 Bf4 50.Nxf4 Rxf4 51.Rd7+ Kg6 52.Rd6+ Kg5 53.Rd5+ Kh4 54.Kf1 Kg3 55.Ne1 Ne3+ 56.Kg1 f2+ 0-1
Daniel Gormally – Wow!! Fantastic Nakamura wins surely the most exciting speed match in history!
Ian Nepomniachtchi – These are the basic chess rules. Also: why do we need 4 arbiters near the board, if no one can say/do a sh*t.
Certainly, with one arbiter sitting at their table and another half-dozen officials/cameramen crowding around, it must have been uncomfortable.
The day’s action:
Round 3, Game 3 25+10
Dominguez-Adams 0.5-0.5
Kramnik-Andreikin 0.5-0.5
Nakamura-Nepomniachtchi 0.5-0.5
Radjabov-Svidler 0.5-0.5
So-Le 0.5-0.5
Tomashevsky-MVL 0.5-0.5
Topalov-Lu Shanglei 1-0
Round 3, Game 4 25+10
Adams-Dominguez 0.5-0.5
Andreikin-Kramnik 1-0
Le-So 0-1
Lu-Topalov 0.5-0.5
Nepo-Nakamura 0.5-0.5
Svidler-Radjabov 1-0
MVL-Tomashevsky 0.5-0.5
Round 3, Game 5 10+10
Adams-Dominguez 0.5-0.5
Nakamura-Nepo 1-0
MVL-Tomashevsky 1-0
Round 3, Game 6 10+10
Dominguez-Adams 0.5-0.5
Nepo-Nakamura 1-0
Tomashevsky-MVL 0-1
Round 3, Game 7 5+3
Adams-Dominguez 1-0
Nepo-Nakamura 1-0
Round 3, Game 8 5+3
Dominguez-Adams 0-1
Nakamura-Nepo 1-0
Round 3, Game 9 Armageddon
Nepo-Nakamura 0-1
Round 4 Pairings
Colours Not Yet Established
Topalov-Svidler
Ding Liren-Wei Yi
Giri-Wojtaszek
So-MVL
Nakamura-Adams
Eljanov-Jakovenko
Caruana-Mamedyarov
Andreikin-KarjakinComment
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4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only
Nepo's remarks or tweet was in relation to the "unpunished" action of his opponent. Nakamura castled with 2 hands. [See 5:27:45 in http://www.bakuworldcup2015.com/content/137] And the rules are clear:Originally posted by Wayne Komer View Post
"4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only"
However, even if Nepo stopped the clocks, called the Arbiter on the issue, and won a decision, then the best he could reasonably hope for was a warning for his opponent or MAYBE a minute subtracted from his opponent's time. And an experienced arbiter might even consider such a complaint frivolous, and punish Nepo instead. I dunno.Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.Comment
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Re: 4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only
World Cup Baku 2015
Thanks, Nigel, I missed the two-handed castling. And Ian's comment about arbiters all around probably means that they didn't catch the infraction, rather than they were cramping him!
Nepo’s tweet: Making a castle with both hands shows huge skill in life (I am) disgusted.
Chess Vibes: Breaking News: Official appeal filed against Hikaru’s Armageddon victory (for using two hands to castle).
Nakamura (tweet) – If every tournament was like the World Cup, I think I would be dead within 10 years (stress, insanity)Last edited by Wayne Komer; Saturday, 19th September, 2015, 06:34 PM. Reason: nepo's comments about the arbiters reinterpretedComment
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Re: 4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only
The cream has certainly risen to the top for the Round of 16. Peter Svidler is the lowest rated (live) survivor at 2726, currently number 28 in the world.
http://www.2700chess.com/Comment
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Re: 4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only
World Cup Baku 2015
World Cup: Appeals Committee Rejects Nepomniachtchi's Appeal
Saturday, 19.09.2015
Just a few minutes ago, the FIDE World Cup Appeals Committee rejected Ian Nepomniachtchi's appeal. The result of the decisive blitz game is not overturned, yet Nakamura gets a warning for castling using both hands.
Nepomniachtchi is not satisfied with the Committee's decision, right now he is trying to prepare an appeal against it.Last edited by Wayne Komer; Saturday, 19th September, 2015, 06:32 PM.Comment
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Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
Here is the text of the decision...Originally posted by Wayne Komer View Post
So Nakamura was given a warning, and "Nepo" got his $500 back. The Committee noted that the complainant should have stopped the clocks and complained at that point. Pretty well what I expected (I wasn't able to find the rule regarding "when" to complain, though) but I think it's helpful that the Ctte., in making its decision, has pointed out the right way to do things.The Committee received an appeal from Mr. Ian Nepomniachtchi ( RUS ) at 21:30 who appealed against the decision of the arbiter of his tie-break match ( Armageddon game ) which was finished at 20:30 in favor of his opponent Mr. Nakamura ( USA )- Round three of the World Cup. The applicant claimed that the arbiter didn’t interfere when his opponent used his two hands to castle in the Armageddon game and also when his opponent touched one piece but moved another piece during the game in violation to article 4 of FIDE Laws of chess.
The committee listened to applicant, the deputy chief arbiter Mr. Carlos Dias and the chief arbiter Mr. Faik Gasanov.
The Committee reviewed the video of the game and it was clear that Mr. Nakamura has used his two hands when castling in Armageddon game and also he touches the rook before his king.
Decisions of the committee:
1- The committee decided that the result of the match shall stand in favor of Mr. Nakamura
2- According to article 4.7 of FIDE Laws of chess ((A player forfeits his right to a claim against his opponent’s violation of Article 4 once he deliberately touches a piece)). So the applicant has no right to ask to change the result of the game.
3- The committee recommended that the chief arbiter has to give a warning to Mr. Nakamura and assure him to follow the article 4 of FIDE Laws of chess (( 4.1 using one hand to do all his moves in all games and not to touch a piece to adjust it without informing his opponent or the arbiter or he will be forced to move the piece he touches without such necessary notification )).
4- The committee decided to return back the appeal fees (( US $ 500 )) to Mr. Ian Nepomniachtchi and to assure him that in such cases he has to stop the clock at once and inform the chief arbiter to apply the article 4 before he himself touches one of his own pieces and of course not after the game.
Chairman
I wonder if, should something similar happen again in this event, a player will have the audacity (temerity?) to stop the clocks and make a complaint. How many players actually know how to stop both clocks? All kinds of chaos is possible! A player might, "accidently", in trying to stop both clocks, reset one or both clocks to zero! Bwa ha ha ha! And then noisily point at his/her opponent as an objectionable loutish cheater! Blows are exchanged instead of chess pieces!
Perhaps players will need tutorials on chess clock usage. That could come, in future, right after they are searched and relieved of all their watches, pens, and hand held devices !Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.Comment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
And that's also why I'm not a big fan of armaggedon games. You're just asking for that kind of trouble.
They often say chess should use ideas from other, more popular sports. And in cases where a tie-break is required, why not do just like tennis? Play on until a winner emerges.
Just go with a short time control and an increment. Say, 10m+10s. Or even 5m+5s. Or heck, if you are really in a rush: 3m+3s. Have them play 2 games matches (black/white) until a winner emerges.
It wouldn't last very long and it would look like actual chess instead of just having two guys throwing the pieces around until somebody's flag falls.Comment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
Why would Naka think it OK to use 2 hands (and why would he touch the rook first) .... does time pressure override 30 years of learned behaviour (didnt we all learn to grab the King first when we were in diapers) or are there unwritten rules for Blitz or Armaggedon ... maybe Nepo didn't get the memo?Comment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
A lot of blitz players will actually play that way. Anything to gain a quarter of a second and unsettle your opponent. It happened to me a few times in casual blitz games and good luck trying to enforce that kind of rules. The guy will just give you a 'WTF' look and start the clock again.Originally posted by Dave Love View Post
The problem with blitz is that the pace is too fast to really think about all these little rules and exceptions.
In fact, I'd go as far as suggesting that castling with both hands will actually be part of the pro blitz player's arenal.Comment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
Andreikin throws away his White game with a 12-move draw against Karjakin ):
Perhaps he's hoping history repeats itself. In the 2013 World Cup he took an 18-move draw with White and proceeded to win his game with Black.
These two have had two shorter games, an 8-move draw in the 2012 Russian Superfinals and a 10-move win by Andreikin in the 2010 World Blitz Championship.Comment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
Ding Liren played 5.h4, 6.h5, and 8.h6 and garnered a full hour time advantage (88:28 vs 28:28) 14 moves into his game with Wei Yi (:
http://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2015-...g_Liren-Wei_YiComment
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Re: Nakamura given a warning; Nepo given his money back.
Um, it's called the pause button. All digital clocks have one.;)Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View PostComment
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