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One of the local kids - about 8 years old - is very irritating to play. He hardly sits at the board at all, and when it is his turn to move, he moves almost instantly, and then wanders off. There is nothing to complain to the TD about - the kid acts as if the position on the board is not worth spending any time on.
His parents have tried to persuade him to stay seated at the board, but then he watches neighbouring games, or doodles, or stares around the room. I personally find this disdainful behaviour somewhat insulting, but it doesn't really bother me. A couple of other adults have said they will refuse to play the kid - he's rated about 900.
Is it possible to change his condescending attitude, or do we just have to wait till he grows up a bit.
Edit: don't know where the random 8 in the title came from. Fat fingers?
Last edited by John Coleman; Sunday, 27th September, 2015, 01:49 AM.
Reason: can't edit title
Ehhhhh... what's the problem, exactly? What's the rule that says you have to take a minimal amount of time to play a move? Or that you have to sit in front of the board for a specific amount of time?
He's rated 900... just beat him and offer some piece of advice after the game?
I observe that my opponent moves very quickly and hardly pays attention at the board. What to do? I would tentatively assume that my opponent is generally an impatient person. I would play more slowly against this person than my average opponent. The idea would be to increase my opponent's impatience and use his weakness against him. The kid will either learn to play more slowly and carefully when he is roughed up by savvy opponents, or he will never learn this and be 900 forever, or he will quit. Perhaps he doesn't like chess and is just sitting there because his parents like chess, or at least the idea that learning chess is good for their son?
The adult opponents should take this as a challenge and opportunity to modify their play in a way to maximize their chances vs this particular opponent and good practice for when they face other players who have this "annoying" tendency. Since the child isn't doing anything that violates the Laws of Chess (though you could say that doodling is "note-taking", I suppose), I don't see why they would refuse to play him if paired.
"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
Would you be offended or annoyed if I did that? A 23 year old with a 2300+ rating? Or is it just because he's a kid? Or are you annoyed that he's not making an effort to improve... annoyance through compassion lol...
Probably wouldn't bother me. The quicker he moves the quicker I can get off the board.
Would you be offended or annoyed if I did that? A 23 year old with a 2300+ rating?
Yes.
I frequently play opponents rated 1000 points below myself (an achievement, because my rating is only 1800). I always sit at the board and try to give my opponent the respect he deserves.
But sitting ain't healthy, John. In fact, it's the "new smoking" ):
Playing chess isn't the most healthy way to spend your time. I'm one of the few people who has run marathons and also played tournament chess (though not at the same time).
I don't know which I regret more - my declining chess skill, or the fact that I can no longer run (broken pelvis).
I frequently play opponents rated 1000 points below myself (an achievement, because my rating is only 1800). I always sit at the board and try to give my opponent the respect he deserves.
I myself rarely sit at the board during my opponent's move. At first I thought that this was unusual until I started seeing GMs play and most of them will walk around on their opponent's move. I suggest to people that they should do what feels natural to them, the key if you are walking around is to not lose your concentration.
In regard to sitting at the board during your opponent's move if you don't want to why would you? In fact it's not uncommon for me to come up with great ideas while I'm walking around or more often see something my opponent can do. 95% of the time those ideas are correct. As for this specific example given if the child wants to move quickly he will move quickly and he will lose. Moving slower is something he needs to learn himself, and if he doesn't, well he can't compete in chess at a higher level than the U1600 or maybe the U2000. His loss. A player's time is his own to spend or not spend. I play more quickly against a lower rated player than a higher rated player. If I'm playing a 1600 I'll play more quickly than against a 2400. The reason for that is ovbious, and I choose to play that way. Another guy might play the same speed against all players, each player has their strategy they use to play each opponent, and their clock management is their choice.
One of the local kids - about 8 years old - is very irritating to play. He hardly sits at the board at all, and when it is his turn to move, he moves almost instantly, and then wanders off. There is nothing to complain to the TD about - the kid acts as if the position on the board is not worth spending any time on.
His parents have tried to persuade him to stay seated at the board, but then he watches neighbouring games, or doodles, or stares around the room. I personally find this disdainful behaviour somewhat insulting, but it doesn't really bother me. A couple of other adults have said they will refuse to play the kid - he's rated about 900.
Is it possible to change his condescending attitude, or do we just have to wait till he grows up a bit.
Edit: don't know where the random 8 in the title came from. Fat fingers?
Oh, good. Proof that karma is still alive and kicking.
"The kid acts as if the position on the board is not worth spending any time on"... Well, this is the exact same treatment Mr. Coleman dishes out to Chesstalk posts that are more than 1 or 2 lines long. He has efffectively said this to many posters here, but as reference, I foud a post ( http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...0593#post80593 ) where Mr. Coleman replied to me "I hate to tell you this, Paul, but I mostly ignore your posts too. Life's too short."
Well, you have that right John, and this kid also has the right to ignore your 1800-level woodpushing. Why should an active kid sit there patiently to entertain YOU? Life's too short.
Karma.... gotta love it.
Try reading books John... maybe that will change your condescending attitude, or do we just have to wait until you grow up a bit? :D
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
My pet peeve is players who register on site 2 minutes before the round, skip the TD announcements, show up 15 minutes late for the game, lose because they missed the TD announcement reminding them to switch off their cell phone, then sleep in and show up an hour late for the second round because they missed the TD announcement about the time change, then then withdraw without telling anyone. I'd rather have the bouncy kid.
Children have to move around, wiggle. It is necessary and healthy. . The reason (I have found) they move quickly and leave is that they do not know that they need to calculate as deep as possible. This partly because they play people that play too fast. MOST children I teach begin this way. If a child is not wiggling or moving call a doctor.
A GM is a different beast . When he/she walks out after moving he/she takes the position with him/her. The initial position( on the board now) is bothersome to look-at when you are thinking about 10 ply depth moves.
One of the local kids - about 8 years old - is very irritating to play. He hardly sits at the board at all, and when it is his turn to move, he moves almost instantly, and then wanders off. There is nothing to complain to the TD about - the kid acts as if the position on the board is not worth spending any time on.
Wow, everyone is quick to excuse the kids behaviour.
John, I'm with you. I find this irritating as well.
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