Kirsan Ilyumzhinov Accused by USA of Helping ISIS

[Tom O'Donnell]

Re: the tail wags the dog means the neo cons dominate foreign policy.

Wait, are you saying that Obama isn't change we can believe in? I have been misled.

[Mathieu Cloutier]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

I hope he comes To New York. His ass would be rightfully thrown in the cooler faster then you can say Jack Daniels.

I can say Jack Daniels pretty fast, though.

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

With these accusations by the USA, is FIDE itself now toxic? Can there be a separation of the two, Ilyumzhinov and FIDE?

Let's say I hold a national event and want the event to be FIDE rated, as long as Ilyumzhinov is in place am I tacitly supporting his position with FIDE?

What does the CFC FIDE rep have to say about this whole deal?

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

With these accusations by the USA, is FIDE itself now toxic? Can there be a separation of the two, Ilyumzhinov and FIDE?

Let's say I hold a national event and want the event to be FIDE rated, as long as Ilyumzhinov is in place am I tacitly supporting his position with FIDE?

What does the CFC FIDE rep have to say about this whole deal?

As far as the USA is concerned,no, as long as Kirsan is its leader FIDE and Kirsan are not separated.The Treasury Departments press release specifically mentions Kirsan's involvement with FIDE among other things. FIDE is an entity funded and controlled by Ilyumzhinov. Normally when an organizations leader is involved in a scandal that has the potential to disable the organization in any way to function the leader is expected to resign until he/she vindicates themselves. That certainly is the case here but do not expect FIDE to be treated fairly by its executive based on his track record of corruption. I warned the CFC about this over a year ago. Kirsan is expecting to go to New York tomorrow. I don't see how, Americans can not accept his money, legally an American can't even sell Kirsan a pastrami sandwich. The Treasury department cites an executive order which means that they are executing an order directly sanctioned by The President of The United States.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

war on the truth

Wait, are you saying that Obama isn't change we can believe in? I have been misled.

Just today, the brutal Obama regime showed their true colours.

"The four USAF military drone operators who recently blew the whistle and exposed the callousness and complete lack of concern for civilian casualties of the US drone assassination programme, (and received very little mainstream media exposure), yesterday found their bank accounts and credit cards all blocked by the US government. The effects of that on daily life are devastating. "

This is what happens when government makes you an enemy of the state. See "Obama's War on the Truth"

[Ken MacDonald]

Re: war on the truth

Just today, the brutal Obama regime showed their true colours.

"The four USAF military drone operators who recently blew the whistle and exposed the callousness and complete lack of concern for civilian casualties of the US drone assassination programme, (and received very little mainstream media exposure), yesterday found their bank accounts and credit cards all blocked by the US government. The effects of that on daily life are devastating. "

This is what happens when government makes you an enemy of the state. See "Obama's War on the Truth"

Your source is not defined in a nice manner, BUT, what is rationalwiki? Maybe they are the "off" ones?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

[Steve Douglas]

Re: war on the truth

Your source is not defined in a nice manner, BUT, what is rationalwiki? Maybe they are the "off" ones?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

I read Nigel's link first and drew my own conclusions based on the disclaimer at the bottom of the "article" wherein the "publishers" disavow any responsibility for what they are publishing.

The "article" itself is woeful with respect to journalism. It reports hearsay as truth and its sole source is the lawyer for the people making the claims.

Then I read what was in your link and my opinion went down even more.

Steve

[Garland Best]

Re: war on the truth

The Global Research article is a copy of a personal blog. I tried to find other sources supporting the claims in Nigels original post. So far this are all I've come up with.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...whistleblowers.

No mention in the original article nor anywhere else of the US Government taking such actions. Of course this does not mean it's necessarily false, but it definitely is weak.

As to rationalwiki and their agenda try http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/RationalWiki. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to research metapedia

The internet is full of fringe groups. Be skeptical of what you read, lest ye fall down the rabbit hole.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

the same story from multiple sources

I read Nigel's link first and drew my own conclusions based on the disclaimer at the bottom of the "article" wherein the "publishers" disavow any responsibility for what they are publishing.

The Independent reported the same facts. Google is your friend.

America’s drone programme is unregulated, counter-effective and carried out by stressed men who often abuse drugs and alcohol, according to some of the people who spent years remotely flying the missions.

In an unprecedented insight into the inner workings of the CIA-controlled programme that is as secretive as it is controversial, four former operators have told of their concerns that innocent civilians were routinely killed and yet chalked up as “enemy combatants”..

The operators - who feature in Tonje Hessen Schei’s documentary Drone - said they were encouraged to dehumanise their targets and even referred to the children they monitored with their drones as “tits”, or “terrorists in training”, or “fun-sized terrorists". The four said they had struggled with depression and even suicidal thoughts since quitting.

The point is that "this story about the realities of drone strikes by the U.S. military, as told by servicemen with direct experience, is not being covered by the U.S. news organizations. Not at all. Have to read about it in the foreign press."

Some people, perhaps, think that the US government has to "approve" all reports on its activities. But that would mean that their secret activities would, of course, remain unreported forever.

Drone Whistleblowers

[Garland Best]

Re: the same story from multiple sources

Nope, not this time Nigel. Your original post clearly states: "The four USAF military drone operators who recently blew the whistle and exposed the callousness and complete lack of concern for civilian casualties of the US drone assassination programme, (and received very little mainstream media exposure), yesterday found their bank accounts and credit cards all blocked by the US government. The effects of that on daily life are devastating." Bold face print is your emphasis. It's very clear what you were emphasizing.

I'm not disputing that there are drone operators describing their guilt over what they have done under orders. But I will dispute this specific claim that you gave above, and now you are back pedaling..

I

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

Thanks for your comments, hopefully the CFC took your warning to heart. From their website seems to me that the FIDE rep is behind the curve on this one, perhaps I couldn't find the post tho.

As expected did Kirsan arrive in NYC?

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

Thanks for your comments, hopefully the CFC took your warning to heart. From their website seems to me that the FIDE rep is behind the curve on this one, perhaps I couldn't find the post tho.

As expected did Kirsan arrive in NYC?

Not sure if IllusionOf went to NY, but about 1:15 Eastern Time I noticed a tweet from Mig Greengard
that there is an emergency FIDE board meeting for Dec 5 in Greece. He cheekily opines "Can't imagine why, but I'm ready for the press conference!"

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

Thanks for your comments, hopefully the CFC took your warning to heart. From their website seems to me that the FIDE rep is behind the curve on this one, perhaps I couldn't find the post tho.

As expected did Kirsan arrive in NYC?

Regrettably the CFC did not take my warning to heart and in fact I was ridiculed at the time and the CFC not only voted for Kirsan but publicly endorsed him.

[John Coleman]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

...there is an emergency FIDE board meeting for Dec 5 in Greece.

It can't be much of an emergency, if the meeting is 5 days away. An emergency, by definition, is something that calls for immediate action. In any case, it's a good thing that FIDE can afford to summon the board to Greece, rather than an online or skype meeting.

[Myron Samsin]

Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov expected in NYC next week.

Not sure if IllusionOf went to NY, but about 1:15 Eastern Time I noticed a tweet from Mig Greengard
that there is an emergency FIDE board meeting for Dec 5 in Greece. He cheekily opines "Can't imagine why, but I'm ready for the press conference!"

Kirsan did not go to the US on Sunday. Instead, on Sunday night he was interviewed on Moscow's (somewhat independent) TVRain. He denied any ownership stake of the bank in question, and said he would be going to the US next week sometime. More details can be found at chess-news.ru. He is pretty much blithely going on as usual.

Cancelling Sunday's trip, however, tells me that behind the happytalk they are not so sure. I can also tell you why FIDE is meeting at such short notice-- they finally got a reply from Treasury as to what this all means. It's a genuine point of question whether Specially Designated Nationals (which Kirsan is now) are barred from entering the US, and whether Treasury's forbidding any US person from dealings with Kirsan extends to dealings with Kirsan in his capacity as FIDE President. Sid seems pretty sure it does; I tried googling both issues and came up with no answer. Presumably someone at FIDE thought to ask Treasury for an interpretation, and only heard back today because of the Thanksgiving shutdown and the weekend. The news might be good; it might be bad (depending on your perspective).

Also: That they are meeting in Greece tells me (if true) that this meeting was called by Makro. There is lately a subplot going on in FIDE, with Makro being sidelined in favour of Filatov who is, by all appearances, being groomed as an heir apparent. Might mean something, might not.

But yes, there is much going on.