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  • #31
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    [QUOTE=Rene Preotu;106510
    I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the CFC executives because they didn't ask the selection committee to explain their "short-sightedness" before announcing the team.
    The CFC executives (and the majority of the Canadian chess community) knew that the selection committee decision wasn't the correct one but they swallowed it so they don't upset the FQE.[/QUOTE]

    Rene. I can tell you for a fact that the CFC Executive had no discussion among themselves concerning the choices of the selection committee.

    If you think this is a serious problem (the actions of the CFC Executive), then it's a good thing that the AGM and elections are just around the corner.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by Aman Hambleton View Post
      Wasn't the Quebec Open, along with the Canadian Open this year, one of the weakest Open tournaments in Canadian history?
      With 3 GM's it certainly wasn't. History goes before your birth Aman. :)

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      • #33
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        Originally posted by Fred McKim View Post
        Rene. I can tell you for a fact that the CFC Executive had no discussion among themselves concerning the choices of the selection committee.

        If you think this is a serious problem (the actions of the CFC Executive), then it's a good thing that the AGM and elections are just around the corner.
        In social psychology this is called pluralistic ignorance. Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" is an example.

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        • #34
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          Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
          With 3 GM's it certainly wasn't. History goes before your birth Aman. :)
          There were four GMs.

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          • #35
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            I made it to board one of the 1983 Canadian Open in round 9 of 10 as a 19xx player, if I recall correctly. That was a pretty weak tournament. :D
            "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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            • #36
              Re: Board order

              We made a decision not to lose money at the Canadian Open this year. We didn't lose money. Once all the bills are in I believe we broke even by assigning a large chunk of the funds raised not specifically assigned to CYCC or NAYCC to the Canadian Open. If we had lost money the loss would have been shared by the Windsor organizing committee which includes the parents and coaches in Windsor. Because of a large number of last minute entries we probably could have paid for a few more GMs but that was not clear even a week before the start of the tournament.

              If we had two years to raise money and hadn't had to work on two other major tournaments at the same time (on a compressed schedule) then we probably could have done better on number of GMs. I spent two hours on fundraising and that's it and then the fire hose started firing emails at me. As it was we had a modestly sized intimate event in a beautiful venue which most of the players enjoyed aside from some issues with their own performance in some cases. In fact a local player/coach was able to achieve an IM norm and one or two players came very close to doing the same.

              I had to say no a lot in order to achieve that result including weighing every option against the financial toll and the toll on volunteers over the three tournaments. I am pretty happy with the way it all turned out given the financial and time constraints that we were working under. No question that some noses are a bit out of joint. There is also no question that I was not able to devote more than about 12 hours a day to my duties as CFC president and chief organizer of these three events so I did have to lighten the load a bit and jettison many non-essential items. There were many helpful suggestions along the way but no one stepped forward with the tens of thousands of dollars those suggestions would have cost so we had to respectfully decline to entertain those ideas.

              At the NAYCC some of the parents broke out in applause to the chief arbiter Aris Marghetis today when he stepped into the parents room so it appears that we have managed to at least make most of the participants happy in our three events. In the end, that counts for something.

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              • #37
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                What I should also make clear is that we didn't turn any GMs away. We accepted several more than showed up but perhaps they got better offers elsewhere and didn't follow through. Two of the GMs who did show up got more than they expected from us and much more than they initally asked for which was exactly nothing in one case and a place to stay in another.

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                • #38
                  Re: Board order

                  Originally posted by Rene Preotu View Post
                  In social psychology this is called pluralistic ignorance. Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" is an example.
                  That will have to remain your opinion.

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by Fred McKim View Post
                    That will have to remain your opinion.
                    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pluralistic+ignorance

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                    • #40
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                      Vlad wrote:

                      There were four GMs.
                      Jean may have been referring to the Quebec Open in which there were three GM's (all Canadians, by the way).

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                      • #41
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                        [QUOTE=Rene Preotu;106524]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pluralistic+ignorance

                        The role of the Executive was to choose a Selection Committee as per the guidelines in the Handbook.

                        You seem to think that each one secretly wanted to reject their selection, but assumed everyone else was OK with it, so remained silent.

                        I accepted the Selection off the Committee, and had no desire to attempt to overturn it - I can't speak for anyone else - but I doubt that your opinion is the case.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Victor Plotkin View Post
                          Seriously speaking, Eric on board 4 gives us more flexibility in certain circumstances. I will be happy to answer any question about board order, line-ups and my other decisions after Olympiad.
                          The only justification I can imagine is that you consider Lesiege and Krnan to be your weak links, and want to give them as many whites as possible to protect them, including the likely possibility of giving them both white when playing together when one of the top two boards sits out. If so, I retract my earlier harsh criticism of the selection as it makes logical sense. My long held criticisms of selecting Lesiege remain however.

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by Rene Preotu View Post
                            The CFC executives (and the majority of the Canadian chess community) knew that the selection committee decision wasn't the correct one but they swallowed it so they don't upset the FQE.
                            Care to elaborate on that one? You seem to imply that there was some favoritism or behind the door deals going on?

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
                              Care to elaborate on that one? You seem to imply that there was some favoritism or behind the door deals going on?
                              No comment

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by Rene Preotu View Post
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                                You mean, no additional comment?

                                Or you retract your vaguely accusing statement?

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