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At present, there is no public listing of all Voting Members. That's the best I can offer.
Fred, surely the Secretary must have a complete list of the current VMs? Why doesn't he (or anyone from the Executive) just post it at the CFC discussion board to satisfy people pending the CFC's website being updated?
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The NFP act outlines the circumstances in which information about the voting members can be revealed or shared in section 23 of the not for profit corporations act. My reading of this section indicates that this is intended to be a confidential list. Voting members and creditors can access this list but only in context of trying to influence a vote of the voting members and only for that purpose. It is not normal practice to reveal a list of a corporation's voting members. It is normal practice to reveal a list of the directors.
The CFC directors are in alphabetical order of last name:
Hal Bond, FIDE representative
Ken Craft, Vice President
Lyle Craver, Secretary
Vlad Drkulec, President
Mark Dutton, Director at large
Gary Hua, Youth Coordinator
Fred McKim, Treasurer
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Tuesday, 6th December, 2016, 10:28 PM.
23 (1) A member or a member’s personal representative who wishes to examine the register of members of a corporation shall first make a request to the corporation or its agent or mandatary accompanied by a statutory declaration referred to in subsection (5). Within the prescribed period, the corporation or its agent or mandatary shall allow the applicant access to the register during the corporation’s usual business hours and, on payment of any reasonable fee, provide the applicant with an extract from the register.
Marginal note:List of members
(2) Any person described in subsection (1) and debt obligation holders, on payment of any reasonable fee and on sending to a corporation or its agent or mandatary the statutory declaration referred to in subsection (5), may on application require the corporation or its agent or mandatary to furnish within the prescribed period a list of members setting out the prescribed information and updated in accordance with the regulations.
Marginal note:Limitation
(3) A person described in subsection (1) may only make an application under subsection (2) once in each calendar year. In addition, an application may be made before each special meeting of members of which the person receives notice.
Marginal note:Application of debt obligation holder
(4) A debt obligation holder may make an application to obtain a list of members only after receiving notice of a meeting of members at which the holder has the right to vote.
(5) The statutory declaration required under subsection (1) or (2) shall
[...]
(b) state that the list of members or the information contained in the register of members obtained under subsection (1) will not be used except as permitted under subsection (7) or (8).
[...]
Marginal note:Use of information or list by members
(7) A member or a member’s personal representative who obtains a list of members or information from a register of members under this section shall not use the list or information except in connection with
(a) an effort to influence the voting of members;
(b) requisitioning a meeting of members; or
Marginal note:Use of information or list by debt obligation holders
(8) A debt obligation holder who obtains a list of members under this section shall not use the list except in connection with an effort to influence the voting of members on any issue that the holder has a right to vote on.
(3) A person who uses information obtained from a register of members or debt obligation holders or a list of members or debt obligation holders required under this Act for a purpose other than those specified in sections 22, 23 and 107 without the written permission of the member or debt obligation holder about whom information is being used is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.
Note that sections 22 and 107 deal with creditors. Section 23 is the only one relevant to the current questions about the identity of the voting members.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Wednesday, 7th December, 2016, 12:26 AM.
Once again, why is the CFC bothering with this bureaucracy? What is it bringing to the table? Run your organization as you see fit, and get away from the nonsense!
As Fred McKim points out, the names of the active governors can be found on the threads at the CFC forum. So, by refusing to release the entire list, the CFC is protecting the names of inactive governors. That is, people who agreed to be a governor, and are not active.
Why? Why are we keeping the names confidential? Scared of a coup?
As Fred McKim points out, the names of the active governors can be found on the threads at the CFC forum. So, by refusing to release the entire list, the CFC is protecting the names of inactive governors. That is, people who agreed to be a governor, and are not active.
Why? Why are we keeping the names confidential? Scared of a coup?
At last, a sign of rebellion! It is hard to organize a coup when the obsolete VM's remain in control of the voting.
It is not just now that the officers have been disastrous. Not too long ago when the "Ottawa" cabal voted in a guy who was under the protection of his mother....Bunning had a lot to do with that. Open your eyes.....
(3) A person who uses information obtained from a register of members or debt obligation holders or a list of members or debt obligation holders required under this Act for a purpose other than those specified in sections 22, 23 and 107 without the written permission of the member or debt obligation holder about whom information is being used is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.
23 (1) A member or a member’s personal representative who wishes to examine the register of members of a corporation shall first make a request to the corporation or its agent or mandatary accompanied by a statutory declaration referred to in subsection (5). Within the prescribed period, the corporation or its agent or mandatary shall allow the applicant access to the register during the corporation’s usual business hours and, on payment of any reasonable fee, provide the applicant with an extract from the register.
Marginal note:List of members
(2) Any person described in subsection (1) and debt obligation holders, on payment of any reasonable fee and on sending to a corporation or its agent or mandatary the statutory declaration referred to in subsection (5), may on application require the corporation or its agent or mandatary to furnish within the prescribed period a list of members setting out the prescribed information and updated in accordance with the regulations.
Marginal note:Limitation
(3) A person described in subsection (1) may only make an application under subsection (2) once in each calendar year. In addition, an application may be made before each special meeting of members of which the person receives notice.
Marginal note:Application of debt obligation holder
(4) A debt obligation holder may make an application to obtain a list of members only after receiving notice of a meeting of members at which the holder has the right to vote.
(5) The statutory declaration required under subsection (1) or (2) shall
[...]
(b) state that the list of members or the information contained in the register of members obtained under subsection (1) will not be used except as permitted under subsection (7) or (8).
[...]
Marginal note:Use of information or list by members
(7) A member or a member’s personal representative who obtains a list of members or information from a register of members under this section shall not use the list or information except in connection with
(a) an effort to influence the voting of members;
(b) requisitioning a meeting of members; or
Marginal note:Use of information or list by debt obligation holders
(8) A debt obligation holder who obtains a list of members under this section shall not use the list except in connection with an effort to influence the voting of members on any issue that the holder has a right to vote on.
(3) A person who uses information obtained from a register of members or debt obligation holders or a list of members or debt obligation holders required under this Act for a purpose other than those specified in sections 22, 23 and 107 without the written permission of the member or debt obligation holder about whom information is being used is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.
Note that sections 22 and 107 deal with creditors. Section 23 is the only one relevant to the current questions about the identity of the voting members.
All of the above is written in the context of someone (a "member" or a "member's personal representative" or just "a person") wanting a list of voting members. It all seems to IMPLY (without saying explicitly) that the corporation should not be providing a PUBLIC list of voting members. Is this correct?
If so, then why does the CFC site have even an outdated (3 year old) list of voting members? Isn't that illegal? Although the quoted sections above don't mention anything about a penalty to the corporation, only to "a person" using the list for "a purpose other than those specified in sections....".
Is there any section in the Act providing for penalties to the corporation for providing a public list of voting members?
And to Fred Harvey, asking why all this not-for-profit nonsense: it should be obvious, avoiding income taxes. That must be the number 1 reason, with number 2 probably being the ability to issue tax deductions for those making donations.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
I remember having a very interesting chat with Lavin, something along the lines the CFC should not even be in the business of Memberships ... which seems to me to be a fantastic idea!
(3) A person who uses information obtained from a register of members or debt obligation holders or a list of members or debt obligation holders required under this Act for a purpose other than those specified in sections 22, 23 and 107 without the written permission of the member or debt obligation holder about whom information is being used is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.
Note that sections 22 and 107 deal with creditors. Section 23 is the only one relevant to the current questions about the identity of the voting members.
Just curious, is a TD guilty of using a membership list for organizing his tournament? I think that I did not agree to allow use information by renewing my membership LOL
Once again, why is the CFC bothering with this bureaucracy? What is it bringing to the table? Run your organization as you see fit, and get away from the nonsense!
Someone needs to go back to first principles.
As I said in another thread, if we did not become a registered Not for Profit we risked losing our financial holdings, under the NFP act.
As Fred McKim points out, the names of the active governors can be found on the threads at the CFC forum. So, by refusing to release the entire list, the CFC is protecting the names of inactive governors. That is, people who agreed to be a governor, and are not active.
Why? Why are we keeping the names confidential? Scared of a coup?
As Vlad has pointed out, releasing the registry of Voting Members could leave us liable to fines under the NFP act. I can understand the frustration on the part of Non-Voting members with this answer. It's a new way of doing business. Members can see which VM's from their province are voting and support them in their provincial 2017 elections of VM's. Presumably provincial organizations can "publically out" their dead weight.
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