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Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
2) Has Trump been convicted of sexual assault? I don't believe so.
3) What was the context of the comments? He was surrounded by a bunch of guys talking like he's in a locker room. This sort of thing is juvenile, but not at all uncommon, in my experience. I heard worse before I was a teenager at family gatherings with my uncles."Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
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Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post1) I think most everyone can agree that Trump is at best someone prone to exaggeration and at worst a liar and a braggart. His commentary to Billy Bush is in line with these character traits.
2) Has Trump been convicted of sexual assault? I don't believe so.
3) What was the context of the comments? He was surrounded by a bunch of guys talking like he's in a locker room. This sort of thing is juvenile, but not at all uncommon, in my experience. I heard worse before I was a teenager at family gatherings with my uncles.
I also understand that a Federal Judge (undoubtedly not Trump's sister) has ruled that a sitting president can be sued.
https://www.ft.com/content/c7da1760-...c-f253db7791c6
(and, yes, I realize that being sued is quite different from being guilty and that this could be an opportunistic lawsuit etc. yada yada)...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View PostThere are differing opinions on whether globalization can be stopped...
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Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post1) I think most everyone can agree that Trump is at best someone prone to exaggeration and at worst a liar and a braggart. His commentary to Billy Bush is in line with these character traits.
2) Has Trump been convicted of sexual assault? I don't believe so.
3) What was the context of the comments? He was surrounded by a bunch of guys talking like he's in a locker room. This sort of thing is juvenile, but not at all uncommon, in my experience. I heard worse before I was a teenager at family gatherings with my uncles."We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
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My point (since Christianity was mentioned) was that it would appear that God is against Communism, the logical extension of Socialism (according to Marx, I believe) , i.e. both are leftist in nature. One could argue that the Soviet Union's chief "error" was to be officially atheist, but the Virgin spoke of "errors" in plural according to the Sister's testimony (some argue that that was faked, in another link I once looked at).
My earlier post of course meant that the left is in general, and in their principles, eternally misguided and twisted, in spite of any trappy sophistry used against me. Anyone can more or less accidently do (and be there to do) the right thing, such as enact any version of a particular social reform that's overdue, but overall the left really sucks and comes from a rotten source (i.e. its Marxist roots). That's not to mention social engineering by the left (e.g. Wynne's radical sex ed ideas that were forced into Ontario schools). I've heard it said that on his deathbed Marx feared he was doomed to hell, but for myself, I think people have done far worse things to and in this world, and may have been saved.Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
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Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View PostSo let me see if I get this straight.
"Open-minded" Paul Bonham is convinced that Trump is as evil as Charles Manson; you can be assured that this is the one clear truth because Paul Bonham is completely unbiased. Trump is a sexual predator because a bunch of people claim he is, though as far as I know he hasn't been convicted in a court of law. As an aside, I guess that Bill and Hillary Clinton are also guilty because a bunch of people claim he is a sexual predator and she helped cover up the crimes.
Donald Trump separated his businesses from his personal finances and each other. He declared four (out of dozens? hundreds?) bankrupt, stiffing a bunch of people. As far as I can tell, that's morally reprehensible, common, and completely legal.
Fortunately we can just skip the expensive and messy part about presumption of innocence, due process, etc. and just go with Paul Bonham's truths. Wow, what a relief.
Although Tom you are correct to say that in the Trump / Billy Bush video, Trump did not admit to *any* sexual assault (meaning any specific sexual assault against a specific person), he DID admit to committing sexual assault. In fact, he admitted it in a general way that makes it clear he has committed MANY sexual assaults. In a perfect legal system, it would be enough to convict him even though there are no specific, mentioned victims to which that admission applies. But we have an imperfect legal system that requires there be such specific victims. This is what saved Trump from disaster when that video came out.
(Hey, Tom, here's a thought experiment for you. Walk into your nearest police station and "confess" to a murder. Insist that you killed someone. Then when they try and get you to take them to the body, tell them you don't know who you killed, how you killed, nor where the body is. See if you get charged with murder! If they try and lock you up as a loony, Neil Frarey will come and bail you out! )
But everyone who is not totally biased in Trump's favor knew, and still knows, from that video alone that Trump did indeed commit sexual assault, many times in fact. Melania Trump dismissed it as "locker room talk", but even she knows what's what. And I would think Billy Bush knows the truth also, and knows why he had to be suspended from his role on Today once that video came out.
That is why the video created such an uproar. It IS an admission of guilt despite the U.S. legal system not being able to prosecute on it.
I did admit that Bill Clinton is guilty of sexual crimes. He deserved to be impeached and probably should not have been allowed to finish his term. As for Hillary covering up his crimes, I haven't looked at that aspect and so can't comment since I do not know what evidence exists on that charge.
Being open-minded and unbiased doesn't mean never arriving at conclusions. When the evidence is there, conclusions can be drawn. The one thing we all expect and hope for in our judicial system is open-mindedness and unbiased thinking giving a decision based on the evidence. We entrust this to judges, but also to juries composed of ordinary citizens not trained in law. So Tom, although you apparently don't believe it is possible, people CAN be unbiased and still make decisions based on evidence.
I am sorry that you do not understand these concepts, Tom. I guess I overestimated your intelligence. You really should read up on the legal system and things like jury selection. Every day, unbiased people are found... to become assigned to criminal and civil juries. Some biased people may slip through the cracks, but few enough that we rely on these juries to make fair, unbiased decisions.
As for Trump's bankruptcies, they could all have been prevented. They were, in fact, deliberate. Trump admits to "taking advantage of the legal system". Remember his "That makes me smart" comment in the debate with Hillary.
Most business owners strive at all costs to avoid bankruptcy, but Trump set out from the beginning to borrow money and not even attempt to pay it back. There is plenty of evidence from stiffed contractors who could not get Trump to pay a dime of the money he owed them. He certainly had the money. He just didn't believe he should pay when the legal system would bail him out.
I do believe Trump is as evil as Charles Manson. The crimes are different, but the evil mind behind them is the same. We have not had such a person sitting as President before. There have been Presidents who have committed wrongdoing while in office, but not in my experience have we had a purely evil person as President. The whole reason we saw, for the first time ever, masses of people protesting a newly-inaugurated President as "Not My President" is because these masses of people are smart enough and moral enough to know Trump is criminal and evil.
And that should "trump" everything else when it comes to being President. But unfortunately, not everyone is guided by morals and ethics, are they Tom? In any case, my comments were addressed to Kevin who I believe (perhaps erroneously) to be a person guided by morals and ethics and being wrongly forgiving (or else blissfully unaware) of Trump's evil nature. Perhaps it is true that given enough rope, Trump will hang himself as Kevin mentioned, but people with moral convictions should not rely on that. Trump should be fought tooth and nail with all legal means available.Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
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Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post1) I think most everyone can agree that Trump is at best someone prone to exaggeration and at worst a liar and a braggart. His commentary to Billy Bush is in line with these character traits.
2) Has Trump been convicted of sexual assault? I don't believe so.
3) What was the context of the comments? He was surrounded by a bunch of guys talking like he's in a locker room. This sort of thing is juvenile, but not at all uncommon, in my experience. I heard worse before I was a teenager at family gatherings with my uncles.
Also, what Peter McKillop said.everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
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Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View PostIt would appear that God is against Communism...
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Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostAlthough Tom you are correct to say that in the Trump / Billy Bush video, Trump did not admit to *any* sexual assault (meaning any specific sexual assault against a specific person), he DID admit to committing sexual assault. In fact, he admitted it in a general way that makes it clear he has committed MANY sexual assaults. In a perfect legal system, it would be enough to convict him even though there are no specific, mentioned victims to which that admission applies. But we have an imperfect legal system that requires there be such specific victims. This is what saved Trump from disaster when that video came out.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post(Hey, Tom, here's a thought experiment for you. Walk into your nearest police station and "confess" to a murder. Insist that you killed someone. Then when they try and get you to take them to the body, tell them you don't know who you killed, how you killed, nor where the body is. See if you get charged with murder! If they try and lock you up as a loony, Neil Frarey will come and bail you out! )
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostBut everyone who is not totally biased in Trump's favor knew, and still knows, from that video alone that Trump did indeed commit sexual assault, many times in fact. Melania Trump dismissed it as "locker room talk", but even she knows what's what. And I would think Billy Bush knows the truth also, and knows why he had to be suspended from his role on Today once that video came out.
That is why the video created such an uproar. It IS an admission of guilt despite the U.S. legal system not being able to prosecute on it.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostI did admit that Bill Clinton is guilty of sexual crimes. He deserved to be impeached and probably should not have been allowed to finish his term. As for Hillary covering up his crimes, I haven't looked at that aspect and so can't comment since I do not know what evidence exists on that charge.
Now I am certainly not saying that Ms. Broaddrick's claims are credible. I have no way of knowing that and since I have no way of knowing I assume that both Bill and Hillary Clinton are totally innocent of what Ms. Broaddrick alleges.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostBeing open-minded and unbiased doesn't mean never arriving at conclusions. When the evidence is there, conclusions can be drawn. The one thing we all expect and hope for in our judicial system is open-mindedness and unbiased thinking giving a decision based on the evidence. We entrust this to judges, but also to juries composed of ordinary citizens not trained in law. So Tom, although you apparently don't believe it is possible, people CAN be unbiased and still make decisions based on evidence.
I am sorry that you do not understand these concepts, Tom. I guess I overestimated your intelligence. You really should read up on the legal system and things like jury selection. Every day, unbiased people are found... to become assigned to criminal and civil juries. Some biased people may slip through the cracks, but few enough that we rely on these juries to make fair, unbiased decisions.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostAs for Trump's bankruptcies, they could all have been prevented. They were, in fact, deliberate. Trump admits to "taking advantage of the legal system". Remember his "That makes me smart" comment in the debate with Hillary.
Most business owners strive at all costs to avoid bankruptcy, but Trump set out from the beginning to borrow money and not even attempt to pay it back. There is plenty of evidence from stiffed contractors who could not get Trump to pay a dime of the money he owed them. He certainly had the money. He just didn't believe he should pay when the legal system would bail him out.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham View PostI do believe Trump is as evil as Charles Manson. The crimes are different, but the evil mind behind them is the same. We have not had such a person sitting as President before. There have been Presidents who have committed wrongdoing while in office, but not in my experience have we had a purely evil person as President. The whole reason we saw, for the first time ever, masses of people protesting a newly-inaugurated President as "Not My President" is because these masses of people are smart enough and moral enough to know Trump is criminal and evil.
And that should "trump" everything else when it comes to being President. But unfortunately, not everyone is guided by morals and ethics, are they Tom? In any case, my comments were addressed to Kevin who I believe (perhaps erroneously) to be a person guided by morals and ethics and being wrongly forgiving (or else blissfully unaware) of Trump's evil nature. Perhaps it is true that given enough rope, Trump will hang himself as Kevin mentioned, but people with moral convictions should not rely on that. Trump should be fought tooth and nail with all legal means available.
1) You really should fear for your personal safety.
2) You should do more than protest by legal means.Last edited by Tom O'Donnell; Monday, 6th March, 2017, 10:31 PM."Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
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Originally posted by ben daswani View PostI simply pointed to an article, written by a law professor, indicating that what Trump admitted to amounts to sexual assault. You point out that Trump is a liar, and tell me your uncles have said worse. I don't doubt that Trump lies and I don't doubt that your uncles have said worse. These facts don't impinge on my argument.
Also, what Peter McKillop said.
He didn't "confess", there is no way we can know from this if it is true, and it didn't appear to be reluctant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuHPRYkMEwI&t=76s
From 1:10-1:30 approximatelyLast edited by Tom O'Donnell; Monday, 6th March, 2017, 10:40 PM."Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
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Originally posted by Brad Thomson View PostI am of the opinion that God does not care what political system we use, if any. God, I assume, simply wants us all to love one another, and if we truly did then it would not matter what political system we used, if any, the system would simply work regardless of what it was. One the other hand, if there is little love among fellow (wo)man, then (s)he will not find a political system capable of solving his/her problems, at least in God's eyes.
In modern times the nations that seem to be most blessed in terms of quality of life, etc. seem to me to be by and large the democracies of the world. Make of that what you will.Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
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An article on Trump's wiretapping accusation against Obama that might be of interest, albeit perhaps biased. I had already heard of earlier mainstream media reports (in 2016) alluding to FBI wiretapping, but now said media is saying hardly a word about such:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...urced-reports/Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
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Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Postadmit - confess to be true or to be the case, typically with reluctance.
He didn't "confess", there is no way we can know from this if it is true, and it didn't appear to be reluctant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuHPRYkMEwI&t=76s
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I simply pointed to an article, written by a law professor, indicating that what Trump bragged about amounts to sexual assault. You point out that Trump is a liar, and tell me your uncles have said worse. I don't doubt that Trump lies and I don't doubt that your uncles have said worse. These facts don't impinge on my argument.
Also, what Peter McKillop said.
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Now that I've addressed your semantic concerns, can we return to the actual argument? People think Donald Trump committed sexual assault because he bragged about committing sexual assault. Hillary Clinton never bragged about committing sexual assault. There's no comparison.everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
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Okay, people believe things. I can't argue against that.
I am not sure how Hillary Clinton got dragged into this but since you mentioned her ...
Here's Hillary Clinton bragging about killing a foreign head of state. Unlike with Trump, there's actually proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
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