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    Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
    What an excellent article!! Thanks again, Sid.
    Thankyou Peter,

    I am glad you enjoyed it, the main player to pull off a reunification would be China and they are indeed being pressured to do this as evidenced by their unprecedented vote in favor of sanctions. The problem is that the rate of NOKO"s threats are faster then the fomenting of a revolution where the key player to do this would be China.The Uranium and for that matter the technology NOKO uses is similar to Iran's that comes from Russia.

    The west enjoyed some success in sabotaging Iran's nuclear efforts via the STUX virus that was one of the first examples of software that damaged physical infrastructure. It was embedded in centrifuge chips and used Bayesian classifiers to initially collect data and record which signals would appear normal to the technicians. It would then reset the speeds of he centrifuges but continue to send false signals indicating everything is normal to the technicians. It was very well written code and when the code was examined it was clear that it was a massive state sponsored effort.

    These types of projects could buy time while regime change efforts as outlined in the article are undertaken. Sebastian Gorka has made references to covert acts so indeed they may be well advanced in these efforts.

    The statements about "fire and fury" are very similar to Truman's before Japan was laid to waste with nuclear weapons. This type of language is probably the only type the regime in NOKO understands. Crude but effective? Time will tell. History has shown that the Japanese did not listen to Truman's rhetoric and continued with their plan to contaminate the west coast in September of 1945 with germ laden balloons aimed at wiping out large populations on the West coast including San Francisco.
    I do not think NOKO is listening to Trump's rhetoric either just like the Japanese did not all those years ago in August of 1945 that sadly makes the likelihood of war very high if history is a good indicator.
    Update: claims that the Misssiles by NOKO are capable of carrying Nuclear payloads is described by MIT engineers and missile specialists as a hoax in Newsweek. This could buy a year or more of time to execute other options described above.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsweek-...163255839.html
    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 12th August, 2017, 08:38 AM.

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      Conservatives are openly Nazis now. But idiots still argue that the "fascists" among liberals are more of a problem. What's happening in Virginia is what you Trump apologists knew would happen and wanted to happen. You are all sick.
      everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/d...b0909642974a10

        Trump still unwilling to openly condemn white supremacists. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

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          When backed into a corner, Trump finally denounced David Duke and the KKK during the 2016 campaign, which may be worth noting, at least.

          On a seperate issue, Trump has been a strongman on a number of occasions as far as making various threats goes, and has expressed admiration for several strongmen in the world (our own J. Trudeau has also done this to a lesser extent perhaps). No certainty yet that Trump (or Kushner his son-in-law, or Soros...) won't end up saddling the US forever with very black hats in the eyes of the world, if I may deliberately mix metaphors.
          Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
          Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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            The National Review, a bastion of the conservative American media, calls out Trump for his failure to denounce white supremacists (and other racist scum) after the Charlottesville riots.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...sville-racists
            "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
            "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
            "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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              Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
              The National Review, a bastion of the conservative American media, calls out Trump for his failure to denounce white supremacists (and other racist scum) after the Charlottesville riots.

              http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...sville-racists
              Thanks Peter. I was having some trouble finding conservative voices who found Trump's comments as disappointing as I did.
              His prepared text was okay, but his ad lib "on all sides" just watered it down too much.
              He was given another opportunity to disassociate himself from the white supremacy movement, but he failed again.

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                Friday, August 11, 2017

                Rasmussen Reports shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

                MAGA!

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                  Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                  Thanks Peter. I was having some trouble finding conservative voices who found Trump's comments as disappointing as I did.
                  His prepared text was okay, but his ad lib "on all sides" just watered it down too much.
                  He was given another opportunity to disassociate himself from the white supremacy movement, but he failed again.
                  I would tend to agree that Trump was not forceful enough in his condemnation. However, I do agree that hatred and bigotry has come from all sides some of which we have seen on this very forum. Today a more direct condemnation of white supremecists and neo nazis was apparently forthcoming from the president. All of Trump's grandchildren are Jewish, the idea that he would advocate groups like the Neonazis or the KKK is nonsense. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...a-rallies.html
                  Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 13th August, 2017, 03:55 PM.

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                    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
                    I would tend to agree that Trump was not forceful enough in his condemnation. However, I do agree that hatred and bigotry has come from all sides some of which we have seen on this very forum. Today a more direct condemnation of white supremecists and neo nazis was apparently forthcoming from the president. All of Trump's grandchildren are Jewish, the idea that he would advocate groups like the Neonazis or the KKK is nonsense. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...a-rallies.html
                    Unlike the freaked out Dems, and their freaked out supporters, I thought Trump's response was well measured.

                    Of course he was referring to those that were cited today.

                    When Trump speaks ... Dems and their freaked out supporters, crucify him.
                    When Trump doesn't speak ... Dems and their freaked out supporters, crucify him.

                    Enuff already!
                    Last edited by Neil Frarey; Sunday, 13th August, 2017, 04:06 PM.

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                      Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                      Unlike the freaked out Dems, and their freaked out supporters, I thought Trump's response was well measured.

                      Of course he was referring to those that were cited today.

                      When Trump speaks ... Dems and their freaked out supporters, crucify him.
                      When Trump doesn't speak ... Dems and their freaked out supporters, crucify him.

                      Enuff already!
                      The great thing about Trump is that it seems no matter what he does, there's a tweet in which he criticises himself for it: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...96711685087237

                      "Of course" he was talking about the white supremacists yesterday. Yet some of the white supremacists themselves didn't see it that way: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg:large

                      Yesterday I looked at various outlets and forums that support Trump and/or white supremacy. I didn't see one single mention of Trump condemning white supremacy or anything associated with it. Instead, I saw people talking about how he specifically didn't mention them, and thus implicitly supports them. Everything else was conspiracy theories. Trump had the chance to clearly call this what it was, and he chose not to. A reminder of what David Duke, an ex-KKK leader, said: “Donald Trump is talking implicitly. I’m talking explicitly.”

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                        Some cogent thoughts from The Guardian:

                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...shames-america
                        "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                        "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                        "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                          Originally posted by Lucas Davies View Post
                          The great thing about Trump is that it seems no matter what he does, there's a tweet in which he criticises himself for it: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...96711685087237

                          "Of course" he was talking about the white supremacists yesterday. Yet some of the white supremacists themselves didn't see it that way: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg:large

                          Yesterday I looked at various outlets and forums that support Trump and/or white supremacy. I didn't see one single mention of Trump condemning white supremacy or anything associated with it. Instead, I saw people talking about how he specifically didn't mention them, and thus implicitly supports them. Everything else was conspiracy theories. Trump had the chance to clearly call this what it was, and he chose not to. A reminder of what David Duke, an ex-KKK leader, said: “Donald Trump is talking implicitly. I’m talking explicitly.”
                          So, to be clear.

                          When Trump condemns “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides”, he is ...in your mind... actually implying support for whatever you want. You simply fill in the blank with Russia, White Supremacist, whatever.

                          Ya know, that's kinda twisted. To actually take his words of condemnation and twist them to imply support for something else. Isn't that rather delusional?

                          To your kind, nobody's words are safe.

                          Not even mine.

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                            Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                            So, to be clear.

                            When Trump condemns “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides”, he is ...in your mind... actually implying support for whatever you want. You simply fill in the blank with Russia, White Supremacist, whatever.

                            Ya know, that's kinda twisted. To actually take his words of condemnation and twist them to imply support for something else. Isn't that rather delusional?

                            To your kind, nobody's words are safe.

                            Not even mine.
                            What Lucas said is not delusional. Just a few minutes ago I watched a segment on the CBC news (The National) about the American white supremacy movement. They interviewed one of the movement's movers and shakers, Richard Spencer. Spencer made it clear that Trump's failure to explicitly denounce white racist groups is taken as implicit/tacit encouragement of white racism. Wake up, Neil.
                            "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                            "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                            "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                              Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
                              Wake up, Neil.
                              You're talking to a guy who literally thinks he has insight into the African-American experience because he designed a graphic featuring the n-word.
                              everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                                Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                                So, to be clear.

                                When Trump condemns “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides”, he is ...in your mind... actually implying support for whatever you want. You simply fill in the blank with Russia, White Supremacist, whatever.

                                Ya know, that's kinda twisted. To actually take his words of condemnation and twist them to imply support for something else. Isn't that rather delusional?

                                To your kind, nobody's words are safe.

                                Not even mine.
                                You realise that I'm quoting actual white supremacists who think that Trump is implicitly supporting them by failing to condemn them by name? Pretty interesting how you take this as "my kind" twisting people's words. This isn't even the first time they've said this. This has been going on for over a year now. Trump could very easily take a strong stance against this, yet he's repeatedly failed to do so. In case you missed it, here's his quote regarding Obama: "When will President Obama issue the words RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM? He can't say it, and unless he will, the problem will not be solved!" Damn, that's some pretty good advice there! Too bad Trump is the most hypocritical man on the planet.

                                Oh, by the way, it's not just the white supremacists and "my kind" who have a problem with Trump's response to all of this:

                                Mr. Gardner on Sunday urged the president to speak out again in more forceful terms and make clear that the Republican Party does not welcome such views. A failure to do that, the senator said, makes it fair to question if Mr. Trump wants to remain popular among white nationalists.
                                “These groups seem to believe they have a friend in Donald Trump in the White House. … I would urge the president to dissuade these groups that he’s their friend,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, said on “Fox News Sunday.”
                                “I think the president can be very clear when he wants to be, and he needs to be clear here,” he said.
                                The Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio was among those calling for a straightforward condemnation: Very important for the nation to hear @potus describe events in #Charlottesville for what they are, a terror attack by #whitesupremacists
                                What delusional democrats these Republican senators are.

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