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Amazing how everyone assumes the CFC is doing nothing just because they haven't posted on here or Facebook. As if that were the most important place for them to be writing! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
While I have not made any assumptions about CFC, I was impressed to learn that FIDE Arbiters know how to monitor Facebook. Whether it is related to FIDE World Cup or not, it is a different issue. The next step would be to find official rules about Bermuda shorts in chess, if any. I would appreciate to know how 'someone' knows that it was not an issue in Georgia. Just wondering... Now my assumption is Facebook.
I wrote a letter of protest to the Appeals Committee before I read Anton's account.
He should have been politely asked to upgrade his attire for the next round. I am blown away by Anton's account. Azmai's racial comments were inexcusable. We're not done with this.
Encouraging update, thanks Hal. Kick some ass like I know you can!
Amazing how everyone assumes the CFC is doing nothing just because they haven't posted on here or Facebook. As if that were the most important place for them to be writing!
Also, someone has posted a picture of what the dress code supposedly actually was:
I wrote a letter of protest to the Appeals Committee before I read Anton's account.
He should have been politely asked to upgrade his attire for the next round. I am blown away by Anton's account. Azmai's racial comments were inexcusable. We're not done with this.
it's important to keep the two issues separate. The arbiter's (wrong?) intervention is one thing. The organizer's verbal attack is something else.
I agree with Alex. I would separate a dress-code from a harassment.
Rules are not set in stone when it comes to dress-code. It is ironic and hypocritical when Zurab wearing jeans with a polo shirt gives a lecture on shorts and/or hoodies. Casual vs semi-casual, not a huge difference. While bermuda shorts are not prohibited, they are not clearly allowed (I think that someone just proposed to 'legalize' bermuda shorts in chess tournaments; it's not in the rules yet; I think that our CFC President is incorrect here). Anyways, a warning would be sufficient for the first time.
Can you wear a shorts in the workplace or chess tournaments or can you force a hijab, it's a different issue.
In my opinion, Anton was clearly being bullied by the organizer. As a CFC member, I would like to see a CFC moral support for Anton in regards of this incident. I don't care whether CFC protest would be buried or not. I would like to see FIDE's reaction on the CFC protest.
Last edited by Yury Cheryachukin; Saturday, 9th September, 2017, 04:48 PM.
Reason: typo
I think that Canada (FIDE rep?) needs to make an appeal ASAP. There is nothing in the rules that states that you can't wear shorts, just that the dresscode cannot be inappropriate. Well, who said that shorts are inappropriate, and also how can you demand a chess player in the middle of the game in round 3 to suddenly go look for pants. Absolutely horrible!
Hello,
Assuming all that's been published is true...
Appeal what exactly?
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The arbiter came to a player before the game to talk about dress code.
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The player was confused about colours and asked the arbiter to verify. The arbiter verified, the player didn't dispute. Player-Arbiter relations were seemingly restored, with no obvious consensus on what to do immediately about the shorts.
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The arbiter didn't take any actual action against the player in terms of what happened on the board itself.
Lets assume for a minute that wearing shorts violated the dress code, which apparently it does not (?), or the organizers didn't specify that they weren't accepting shorts for this tournament.
When an arbiter notices an infraction, or believes it's an infraction, the arbiter should act on it immediately.
In this case, being dress-code, there is probably a significant range or leeway of what is acceptable, what is not, what is on the fence. Perhaps this is all very mainstream at this type of tournament, but I confess to be rather ignorant on the intricacies of what is defined as acceptable or not. The logical approach should be to be certain that shorts are unacceptable as per handbook or organizer's specific guidelines on these, before approaching the player.
A printout should be on hand of either, should the player protest.
Provided the arbiter didn't interrupt the game, which he did not, I don't see that the timing was so inappropriate.
A simple reminder to the player along the lines of: "Mr. Kovalyov, wearing shorts is not acceptable according to the dress code, we expect you to wear pants in future games" should suffice.
In a polite, professional manner.
Perhaps it would be optimal to catch the player as he is exiting the hallway, letting him know of the rules for future rounds.
With that said, the arbiter needs to be ready and formulate a case the moment he notices an infraction.
What happens if the arbiter decides to postpone his decision, and around move 40 during the game, Mr. Rodshtein complains his opponent is not dressed accordingly?
It wouldn't be acceptable for the arbiter to respond: "I noticed it 15 minutes before the round started but done nothing about it, instead I am waiting until the game ends to let him know".
Not exactly what you want to hear from an arbiter.
With that said, if the arbiter noticed it after move 1, he could add to his argument that he chose not to interrupt the game, taking into account that it was the type of infraction (dress-code) that doesn't bring the game itself into disrepute.
Giving the chief arbiter the benefit of the doubt, which seems strange (about not having noticed the shorts in the previous 4 days Kovalyov played), it is also abundantly clear that, the arbiters' team was not on the same page on this. Or that this had not been discussed prior.
This "infraction" seems not so flagrant as to be dismissed, accepted, ignored or at best unnoticed in the previous rounds by arbiters.
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Then comes Azmaiparashvili, the chief organizer, blindly and aggressively defending (?) the arbiter and doing what he did to the player.
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Kovalyov seemingly abandoned the tournament due to his interaction with organizer Azmaiparashvili.
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Again, what is there to appeal?
I am under the impression that appeals are made against arbiters, for questionable decisions, with the organizing committee.
How do you appeal against an organizer? With who? And how about when the organizer is a FIDE VP, or FIDE itself?
Perhaps there should be action, sure. But the forfeit result won't change, and how could it?
I am guessing what we're talking about is Canada's affiliation with FIDE. Perhaps a letter condemnining Azmaiparashvili's behavior, towards FIDE, and see how they respond. My guess is that it will likely be buried, or at best Azmaiparashivili get an insignificant reprimand, and CFC-FIDE relations be severely tarnished in the process. On the other hand, maybe they should, as this is hard to swallow.
A letter about the arbiter's interaction should also perhaps be written, if it is found that Kovalyov's shorts are acceptable dress-code.
However, I think it's important to keep the two issues separate. The arbiter's (wrong?) intervention is one thing. The organizer's verbal attack is something else.
In a post-game interview Wesley So said that the opponent in his previous match, Matthias Bluebaum, is a young and improving player and that match proved to be really, really tough because, first of all, he was extremely well-prepared – in the opening for instance, very deeply in the French Defence and the Queen’s Gambit in particular. It was very hard for Wesley to crack through these openings, and, in fact, he didn’t, with both colours. When they reached the ten-minute games Matthias still got good positions out of the opening but didn’t have enough time once the position was a bit murky and in the end, it was a great idea to play the Exchange French because I could interfere with his prep.
“It was shocking to see Magnus lose today since he had the white pieces and at the first he could have drawn but then he decided to play for a win and started to use up time and then Bu found some really good moves and then, suddenly, White was losing. A very shocking game.”
Last edited by Wayne Komer; Sunday, 10th September, 2017, 09:38 AM.
"Go Anton"???? What the f*ck are you talking about?...he left the venue and is on his way home! You should be proud of your idiotic support of this group of thugs during the 2014 FIDE elections.
Seriously??
I supported no such group, and 2. "Go Anton!" is modern-day
colloquialism of support, you will find all over social media!
You need to get out more.....
Oh, I geddit......you think I'm part 'n parcel of the CFC, lol.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
I am all in favour of improving the dress code among top players. But I do not believe that is the real issue. The chief arbiter "arbitrarily" invoked the code to exclude Anton's shorts and dismissed out of hand the fact that he had worn them in previous rounds with explicit or at least tacit approval of the arbiters. He did so 15 minutes before a critical game in the third round of the World Cup. That is unacceptable.
Worse is the behaviour of the organizer and chair of the appeals committee, Azmaiparashvili, who, according to Anton, behaved in an outrageous manner, replete with racial epithets. The CFC through its rep should make a very formal protest and push it hard. Over to you, Vlad and Hal.
We have made a protest. Since the Olympiad is in the same country with the same organizers we need to have some discussions about a very public boycott if the protest does not yield a positive result.
[QUOTE=Sid Belzberg;117382]"Go Anton"???? What the f*ck are you talking about?...he left the venue and is on his way home! You should be proud of your idiotic support of this group of thugs during the 2014 FIDE elections.
Seriously??
I supported no such group, and 2. "Go Anton!" is modern-day
colloquialism of support, you will find all over social media!
Originally posted by Laurentiu GrigorescuView Post
I know very well what I am talking. The fact he dressed like that in previous rounds is not an excuse. It reflects bad on the lenient attitude of the arbiters, who should have called it earlier. Let's not confuse "casual" with "I do not care". Form Carlsen to Kramnik to Hou, Aronian, and Gelfand, they all dressed according to circumstances.
We as chess community want better rewards from sponsors, but when it comes to attitude, too quickly defend the "I do not care".
No, as I said other players such as Anand were just as casual in their attire.
After reading the chessbase article -I am even moreso on Kovalyov's side. ..and regardless if he wants to appeal/protest - CFC has a good reason to burn some more 'political capital with FIDE' and demand Azmaiparashvili's resignation as ECU President/whatever other posts this crook occupies.
I know very well what I am talking. The fact he dressed like that in previous rounds is not an excuse. It reflects bad on the lenient attitude of the arbiters, who should have called it earlier. Let's not confuse "casual" with "I do not care". Form Carlsen to Kramnik to Hou, Aronian, and Gelfand, they all dressed according to circumstances.
We as chess community want better rewards from sponsors, but when it comes to attitude, too quickly defend the "I do not care".
I am all in favour of improving the dress code among top players. But I do not believe that is the real issue. The chief arbiter "arbitrarily" invoked the code to exclude Anton's shorts and dismissed out of hand the fact that he had worn them in previous rounds with explicit or at least tacit approval of the arbiters. He did so 15 minutes before a critical game in the third round of the World Cup. That is unacceptable.
Worse is the behaviour of the organizer and chair of the appeals committee, Azmaiparashvili, who, according to Anton, behaved in an outrageous manner, replete with racial epithets. The CFC through its rep should make a very formal protest and push it hard. Over to you, Vlad and Hal.
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