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Yes you're right, hmmm. To me It seems more like the equivalent of their Canadian Open rather than a Closed, except England doesn't have its own "English Closed". But I don't think it's a zonal and also not really a one country championship like we're comparing to ( by fide definition, at least). Looks like foreigners were starting to win the British Championships so they changed their policy. Now it is "Championship events – open only to British Isles subjects or players resident therein for the past year, or those with British Overseas Dependent Territories Citizenship."
Possibly the reason was to entice strong players for title norms. I think you need 3 countries for the norms. Canada is a single zone.
England was nice enough to invite me to play in a strong correspondence event, a memorial tournament, where I got my final title norm. For this I am grateful to them.
A non-exhaustive perusal of TWIC for the last year seems to indicate there are a fair number of Swiss events; I would estimate the round robins only outnumber the Swisses by a two to one margin. Those countries whose national championships use a Swiss format include Austria, Australia, Britain, Denmark, Germany, Israel, Norway, Scotland, Switzerland, Ukraine, and of course Canada. There are also at least three countries which use a knockout format.
In a word, money.
Ok,more then I thought. But I still looked a little further and Denmark, Ukraine, and Austria all look like they have Closed Swisses and Switzerland uses round-robin format but only holds it once every two years. Also, Germany and Israel look to be Closed Swisses as well unless they have serious problems attracting players to their national championship(they are chess powerhouses). The format we are using right now is pretty much an open swiss especially when you consider the CFC ratings are becoming quite inflated. Anyone else think that our ratings are getting a bit too high? I'd be interested if someone did some statistics on the ratings compared to a few years ago.
Ok, but then I'm curious. Does that mean Canada used to have good secure sponsorship back in the old days when we ran a "closed"?
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The finals (but not preliminaries) of national men’s championships and also national women’s championships.
So I don't think you need foreigners as long as it is a national championship.
Maybe the larger number of entrants is for the money.
Without sponsorship a larger number of entries makes for a bigger prize fund. I can't imagine it would be easy to find sponsors for chess in this economy.
Hmmm, I'm having trouble naming another chess country in the world that has it's national championship decided by an open event. From the best countries to the worst they seem to run round-robins. The US is a closed 24 player swiss in case people are wondering. It seems Canada is in a very very small minority. What's preventing us from running an actual "closed" again? I remember when I played in 2006 I was the lowest rated and it was a great learning experience but I honestly didn't belong in a National Championship. What is it that we are lacking that almost everyone else in the world has? I'd be interested to know of any other countries that are a bit behind like Canada (or you could say we are ahead ).
I didn't like the large number of lower-rated players being in the larger 80-player Canadian Championships as they affected the results of the tournament. Having more players does bring in more money and give lower-rated players valuable experience.
The Closed used to be a 16-player RR with winners of regional or provincial championships. I beleive that the provinces should pay for their closed champions to attend. Usually several top masters couldn't play as their rating was 20 points too low and only a few entries qualified by rating. So it was unfair.
A swiss is the way to go as there are so many masters these days, and the event is shorter. Part of the idea of having an open is creating more titled Canadians. But for only 9 rounds I think there should be a maximum number of entries, something like 54 players or a 2300 bottom (except for provinical champions/Canadian Junior Champion/Canadian Women's Champion/ host city Champion).
The event should have a sponsor to pay for travel and accommodation and, of course, TV coverage. But, for now it's paid for by the players and run by volunteers.
This tournament is a prestigeous one and probably # 1 by rank in this Zonal group/area, Eric. What can we say about the importance of this event? Isn't that a shame?
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Ok,more then I thought. But I still looked a little further and Denmark, Ukraine, and Austria all look like they have Closed Swisses and Switzerland uses round-robin format but only holds it once every two years. Also, Germany and Israel look to be Closed Swisses as well unless they have serious problems attracting players to their national championship(they are chess powerhouses). The format we are using right now is pretty much an open swiss especially when you consider the CFC ratings are becoming quite inflated. Anyone else think that our ratings are getting a bit too high? I'd be interested if someone did some statistics on the ratings compared to a few years ago.
Ok, but then I'm curious. Does that mean Canada used to have good secure sponsorship back in the old days when we ran a "closed"?
The Swiss championship this year was definitely an open Swiss, won by English GM Simon Williams (Viktor Korchnoi took the title on tiebreak, at age 78!): http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic768.html#18
Canada: sponsorship was never "secure" (unless you count John Prentice providing funds when needed), but some individual events certainly had strong fundraising drives associated with them - Vancouver 1951, Ottawa 1955, and Hamilton 1994 come to mind off the top of my head. For the better events the expenses included accommodation and board for 12-16 players as well as the prize fund and playing hall - a considerable expense, most of which was not covered by the CFC. In recent years I guess Sid Belzberg could have funded such a Closed, but the format was instead a Swiss.
It might be the Spanish spelling. Ge... in Spanish = Khe... in English. To keep the G hard, they insert a u. So guerra is pronounced gay-rra. If they actually want to pronounce the u sound, they add a diresis (umlaut, two dots) over the u. So güero is pronounced goo-AY-ro.
Gerzhoy recently played in Brazil, where they speak Portuguese not Spanish, but maybe similar spelling rules apply. Maybe. I don't speak Portuguese.
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In Portuguese, the "g" is pronounced like a "j" if it's followed by an "e" or an "i", but pronounced like a "g" if followed by "a", "o", "u". To associate "e" or "i" with a "g" sound, a "u" is inserted in between, and the "u" is completely silent. I can't think of any word in Portuguese at the moment where the "u" can be heard when followed by a vowel, and cannot think of any word where "gu" would be followed by "a" or "o", but can be followed by consonants.
It's also important to mention that Brazil has certain language freedoms and have over the centuries modified parts of the language from the Portuguese that is used in Portugal. Much like USA and English from England.
I'd assume Gerzhoy in Portuguese would be spelled "Guerzoi" or "Guerjoi" to sound the same. "k", "w" and "y" don't (or at least didn't officially 10 years ago in Portugal) exist in the Portuguese alphabet.
[QUOTE=Stephen Wright;12308]The Swiss championship this year was definitely an open Swiss, won by English GM Simon Williams (Viktor Korchnoi took the title on tiebreak, at age 78!): http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic768.html#18
Ok it alternates every year but the one reserved for just swiss players is round-robin. I don't think we are really comparing similar tournaments. It comes down to whether you consider tournaments open to everyone the legit national championship. I personally don't. If they made it an open championship in Canada and s foreign GM won it then I probably wouldn't consider him the "Canadian Champion" since he isn't Canadian.
I agree that the Closed should be either a 12 or 16 player round robin, but who could afford to hold such an event these days, unless you can manage to get some serious sponsorship. The CFC changed the rules back in 1998 to make the event self financing. Right or wrong, that is the way it is.
This year's Closed was awareded on very short notice. Hal stepped in to make sure that it would happen, and the CFC was fully aware that it would bare bones. There were no other bids. Had the format been a 16 player round robin, there would be no tournament at all.
Unfortunately we won't be able to broadcast any games. If I can get internet access for my laptop tomorrow I can keep you guys posted with the latest results as much as possible.
Had the format been a 16 player round robin, could 16 players be found ?;)
Good question. I like the 12 player round robin. 11 days (maybe 10, you could do the first two rounds in one day), and you shouldn't have to many problems filling the positions.
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