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    Canada will not be participating this Olympiad. We were denied for a late entry, even though the deadline was months ahead of the start of the event and the ICCF had been informed we were entering a team asked for an short extension to set the lineup. The appeal was also turned down. I posted the following on an international correspondence chess message board and repost it here for Canadian chess players who may be interested.


    "It seems Canada will not be competing in Olympiad 18.

    The man who sets our team was on vacation. When he returned he had the names of the players but not the lineup. He emailed the ICCF and told them Canada would participate and asked for an extension to submit the lineup. This was still many MONTHS before the Olympiad was to begin and before the deadline for entering. Some days after the deadline he received a reply he would not receive the extension. He sent the team lineup at that time but, of course, ICCF did not enter Canada. The appeal has recently been rejected. Chile was also rejected for entering late.

    The Olympiad is 5 sections with a mere 9 teams in each section. Very small by recent standards as each player only gets 8 games. I could ridicule the small number of teams but I will not do that. After all, they had 45 teams and it is easy to place that number of teams into 5 sections. An extra two teams, Canada and Chile, would have been an inconvenience.

    As many of you know, I spent a decade organizing chess in Canada between around 1974 and 1986. Building the membership, pairing the events AND promoting the ICCF. Chess is inclusive and not exclusive. You have to work with people when you organize an event. Sometimes you have to chase them to enter or play. The more players and teams there are, the more interesting and better the event. I have never heard of teams being excluded in this manner and must conclude it was done because of mathematics. It's easier to divide 45 by 5 than it is to divide 47 by 5. It would never enter anyones mind to try to find another 3 nations to enter teams because they had a deadline for entries. Never mind that last Olympiad there were 55 teams and 11 teams per section.

    Now many of you might wonder why the number of teams has fallen off so much since the last Olympiad. I wonder why they have lost 10 teams.

    Many of you might think organizations lose members. To a large extent the members run away from an organization. This often happens when an organization falls into the trap of managing the organization with the 3 deadly sins. The deadly sins of managing an organization are:
    1. Idiot Management.
    2. Cronyism.
    3. Infighting.

    Gary Ruben. SIM, IA."
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM

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    Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

    Hi Gary,
    Have computer's programs finished off the correspondence chess playing in some ways and not only that? The real chess players do not want to use those programs - they want to eliminate them and that is the trend. Usage of your real power or ability in that field counts and more and more people/chess players understand and appreciate that. That's the real chess, am I right?
    :)

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    • #3
      Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

      Originally posted by Caesar Posylek View Post
      Hi Gary,
      Have computer's programs finished off the correspondence chess playing in some ways and not only that? The real chess players do not want to use those programs - they want to eliminate them and that is the trend. Usage of your real power or ability in that field counts and more and more people/chess players understand and appreciate that. That's the real chess, am I right?
      :)
      I don't know. I'm not doing anything differently and my game has deteriorated badly. I think it's age and health. I'm of the view that if a correspondence chess player only has a computer and chess program he doesn't have much.

      In case you are wondering, I was slated to play board 5 on the team. I had told our team captain the situation and asked for a lower board.

      This was gong to be my last Olympiad. Since we aren't allowed, now I'll be able to say the last Olympiad I played was board 1 for Canada. :)
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #4
        Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

        Gary, I'm surprised I haven't asked you this before. As you know, there has been a lot of talk about there being too many draws at the GM levels of over the board chess. Well, what about correspondance chess at the same levels? Is there an even higher % of draws, seeing as the players each have much more time to evaluate the positions? Has anyone ever done a study to compare the number of draws at OTB GM events vs CC GM events? If people are losing interest in OTB chess because of too many draws, I'm wondering if the effect is even more pronounced in CC.

        I know Gary that you don't have much interest in chess variants, but perhaps you needn't ride off into the sunset just yet. If organized chess is to take a new direction sometime this century, perhaps it will happen first in CC. And just perhaps you could help that happen, with your organizing background.

        I have an idea for a chess variant that is very, very simple. It doesn't introduce new pieces or take any away, it doesn't change their starting squares, and it's still played on the 64 square board. Yet right from the get-go, it changes the complexion of the game entirely. It would be ideal for CC because... well, just because it would all be new territory.

        Have I piqued your interest? Would you at all be interested in organizing CC events using this new variant? And most interesting of all, can you guess what the new rule might be that this variant introduces? :)

        Oh, and I'm not interested in gaining anything from this. If I can find someone who can organize and wants to organize events using this new variant, I'd be more than happy to tell them the simple rule change (if they can't figure it out, that is) and let them do whatever they can with it.
        Only the rushing is heard...
        Onward flies the bird.

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        • #5
          Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

          Hi Paul,

          You are about 15 years too late in asking me to organize. I gave up tournament directing about 5 years ago to concentrate on playing.

          Regarding pitching it to the international correspondence organization, if you read my first post in this thread you'll understand they are likely not very happy with me. Their preference is for the federations to pay their fees and not question or criticise the decisions.

          Regarding draws, there are lots of draws at the higher levels of CC like in OTB. Swiss Gambit kind of stuff even in round robin events. Strong players seem to draw against each other and they all try to defeat the weaker players-or so it seems. A lot of the strong players are relatively equal anyhow, which means it might not be what I suspect.

          I always liked directing the tier below the top level players. It's more social, I think. Although, I have had many pleasant games at the higher levels. Only a few problems.
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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          • #6
            Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
            Hi Paul,

            You are about 15 years too late in asking me to organize. I gave up tournament directing about 5 years ago to concentrate on playing.

            Regarding pitching it to the international correspondence organization, if you read my first post in this thread you'll understand they are likely not very happy with me. Their preference is for the federations to pay their fees and not question or criticise the decisions.

            Regarding draws, there are lots of draws at the higher levels of CC like in OTB. Swiss Gambit kind of stuff even in round robin events. Strong players seem to draw against each other and they all try to defeat the weaker players-or so it seems. A lot of the strong players are relatively equal anyhow, which means it might not be what I suspect.

            I always liked directing the tier below the top level players. It's more social, I think. Although, I have had many pleasant games at the higher levels. Only a few problems.
            I wasn't intending that you pitch anything to any organization, sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was, since you must keep regular contact with several CC players, would you be interested in getting them (and you) to play a tournament of this variant against each other? The appeal of it is that the positions would all look familiar (no new pieces, no extra squares, standard starting position) but one simple rule change makes the dynamics very different. So it would be like giving new analysis to familiar positions. I've always thought that CC players love to analyze more than OTB players. Another appeal: I would suspect much less chances for draws.

            I guess you would be the TD, but with it just being CC chess played by email, I thought it wouldn't be too taxing on you. If the lot of you thought it was a good variant and worthy of further play, you could spread the news to others and perhaps get other tournaments going. All correspondence, I mean. I think the best way to see if this variant has any legs is to have a lot of good players doing deep analysis.

            I notice you didn't take a stab at the rule change. One other hint, it's not anything to do with move order. White and Black alternate moves as in regular chess.
            Only the rushing is heard...
            Onward flies the bird.

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            • #7
              Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

              Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
              What I meant was, since you must keep regular contact with several CC players, would you be interested in getting them (and you) to play a tournament of this variant against each other?
              I've been playing national team events. I'm there to beat my opponents and not to socialize with them. If I started to do the the things you suggest my value on a team would be reduced to Zero. Presumably my invitations would also decline to that value.
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • #8
                Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                I've been playing national team events. I'm there to beat my opponents and not to socialize with them. If I started to do the the things you suggest my value on a team would be reduced to Zero. Presumably my invitations would also decline to that value.
                Ahhhh. Gotcha. Well, from your earlier post, it seems like you don't have much to look forward to anyway.

                I guess I made a mistake, thinking you and others played CC because of the love of the game, and that if the game were losing interest because of high number of draws, maybe a slight change would perk up some interest. But alas, what we have here is just another ego.

                Happy memories!
                Only the rushing is heard...
                Onward flies the bird.

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                • #9
                  Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

                  Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
                  Ahhhh. Gotcha. Well, from your earlier post, it seems like you don't have much to look forward to anyway.

                  I guess I made a mistake, thinking you and others played CC because of the love of the game, and that if the game were losing interest because of high number of draws, maybe a slight change would perk up some interest. But alas, what we have here is just another ego.

                  Happy memories!
                  I'll give you a memory.

                  Do your own work. If you want international exposure for your ideas you might try sex and travel. #^$& OFF!!!
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • #10
                    Re: Correspondence Chess Olympiad 18

                    >>> If you want international exposure for your ideas you might try sex and travel.

                    Oh, is that how YOU did it? You sly dog, and you wrote that you don't even SOCIALIZE with all those CC opponents!

                    But I'll take you up on your idea. I'm sending you a one-way plane ticket to North Korea, where Kim Jong Ill is VERY interested! Hey, don't worry, I know Kim is usually a girl's name, but this Kim IS a guy!

                    >>> I'll give you a memory.

                    So then you WILL send photos from Pyongyang? You and Kim?
                    Only the rushing is heard...
                    Onward flies the bird.

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                    • #11
                      Paul Bonham Seems Perturbed!

                      It seems he asked for a favour and didn't like being turned down and then made it personal. (He did take the 1st swing) Wow! Was he ever full of sweetness when he was asking for a favour! Are we now seeing the true Paul Bonham in all these posts? Go ahead, Mr. Bonham, swing at me next.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Paul Bonham Seems Perturbed!

                        Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
                        It seems he asked for a favour and didn't like being turned down and then made it personal. (He did take the 1st swing) Wow! Was he ever full of sweetness when he was asking for a favour! Are we now seeing the true Paul Bonham in all these posts? Go ahead, Mr. Bonham, swing at me next.
                        No, Ken, I wasn't asking a favor (I was suggesting Gary try organizing a correspondence tournament of a variant of mine, but to almost no benefit of mine aside from seeing it happen, rather, I thought it would benefit what Gary was describing as reduced interest in correspondence chess).

                        Again, no, I didn't take the first swing. Read the thread again. Gary admitted he is losing it in correspondence chess, in this very thread. He then took the first swing by making it very clear he only does something if it makes him look good. If I am perturbed, it is in knowing that I very much misjudged him. That's all.

                        But yes, I agree, I am full of sweetness :)
                        Only the rushing is heard...
                        Onward flies the bird.

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