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Jordan can now add himself to the long list of people Jean has insulted and slandered since he got back from Guelph. But I say, if Jordan thinks he can get a decent Closed in St. John's, and enough players like the idea, go for it. Don't let Jean Hebert decide who organizes what tournaments.
Paul,
Respectfully, I will have to stop you there.
Jean and I know each other well enough from live interactions that we also know each other's intentions when posting messages online. I do not take anything he says as insulting, nor does he from me. Jean and I are well enough acquainted with each other through years Friday night blitz tournament at the former Specialiste in Montreal to know each other's personalities.
While I appreciate your comments, I also know that Jean's international tournament experience both in and outside Canada would be very helpful for an amateur organizer like myself. If I were to pick anyone's brain about what would be needed when organizing a tournament such as the Canadian Championships, Jean would have to be up there as one of my top candidates.
That's not to say that Jean's opinions will be the be-all and end-all of my decision making, it's not to say that I will agree with everything that he says, and it's not to say that I will not consult other players for opinions and assistance. What it is to say is that the guy who just won the last Zonal would be a good person to have in my corner, as I am hoping to be the guy who organizes the next one.
There is a very large amount of useful information that Jean and everyone else has given in these threads alone, way more than I will ever have time to sort through. I have been trying to eliminate the emotional aspect of these messages to see what will make a successful Closed for 2011. I hope that anyone reading this message with thoughtful ideas will e-mail me. I will consider everything that I receive...
Thanks!! Jordan
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No matter how big and bad you are, when a two-year-old hands you a toy phone, you answer it.
Jean and I know each other well enough from live interactions that we also know each other's intentions when posting messages online. I do not take anything he says as insulting, nor does he from me. Jean and I are well enough acquainted with each other through years Friday night blitz tournament at the former Specialiste in Montreal to know each other's personalities.
While I appreciate your comments, I also know that Jean's international tournament experience both in and outside Canada would be very helpful for an amateur organizer like myself. If I were to pick anyone's brain about what would be needed when organizing a tournament such as the Canadian Championships, Jean would have to be up there as one of my top candidates.
That's not to say that Jean's opinions will be the be-all and end-all of my decision making, it's not to say that I will agree with everything that he says, and it's not to say that I will not consult other players for opinions and assistance. What it is to say is that the guy who just won the last Zonal would be a good person to have in my corner, as I am hoping to be the guy who organizes the next one.
There is a very large amount of useful information that Jean and everyone else has given in these threads alone, way more than I will ever have time to sort through. I have been trying to eliminate the emotional aspect of these messages to see what will make a successful Closed for 2011. I hope that anyone reading this message with thoughtful ideas will e-mail me. I will consider everything that I receive...
Thanks!! Jordan
jsberson (at) yahoo (dot) com
I believe Jean was telling you that because of your opinion on getting sponsors, you are not good enough to hold a Closed. I thought that was an insult to you, but if you disagree, that's your perogative.
So if you are still planning on holding the Closed, either 1) you are ignoring Jean's opinion of your qualifications, or 2) Jean has pep-talked you into believing the sponsors are there waiting to be milked after all. Or a third possibility is that you know some other source of funds that you aren't mentioning.
Either way, good luck to you! And if you do hold it, and for some reason it isn't up to Jean's minimum standards, you at least know now what will be forthcoming from him. I don't think Hal had that foreknowledge, but who knows? I'm beginning to think there must be some personal grudge Jean holds against Hal, and maybe Hal knew about it and expected Jean's reaction.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
I believe Jean was telling you that because of your opinion on getting sponsors, you are not good enough to hold a Closed. I thought that was an insult to you, but if you disagree, that's your perogative.
Paul,
I think you're over-emoting Jean's message. He was making a suggestion, that's all.
Jean's suggestion did not exactly respond to what I had said (I can hardly see why any organization in 2009 would even consider sponsoring chess anywhere in North America.). I did not state that I cannot or will not seek sponsorship, I merely said that cannot see sponsoring a chess tournament as being financially viable for an organization in this economic crisis.
I will keep my plans for sponsorship search on the QT for the moment for a number of reasons. However, the thought of having an unsponsored Closed, especially so far from central Canada, is absurd.
Originally posted by Paul Bonham
So if you are still planning on holding the Closed, either 1) you are ignoring Jean's opinion of your qualifications, or 2) Jean has pep-talked you into believing the sponsors are there waiting to be milked after all. Or a third possibility is that you know some other source of funds that you aren't mentioning.
#3 :)
Originally posted by Paul Bonham
Either way, good luck to you! And if you do hold it, and for some reason it isn't up to Jean's minimum standards, you at least know now what will be forthcoming from him. I don't think Hal had that foreknowledge, but who knows? I'm beginning to think there must be some personal grudge Jean holds against Hal, and maybe Hal knew about it and expected Jean's reaction.
I will do my best, and if I do I hope to uphold everyone's minimal standards and much more!
Regards, Jordan
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Paul - I've got at least one complaint about your inappropriate remark above. Just stick to debating your points, OK? There's no need to demonstrate Godwin's Law.
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Paul - I've got at least one complaint about your inappropriate remark above. Just stick to debating your points, OK? There's no need to demonstrate Godwin's Law.
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
This entire thread (and pretty much all of the other one on this topic) should be closed and deleted in my opinion. (perhaps not everyone would agree with the latter idea, but close these useless threads please - enough already!)
Nobody forcing anyone to read it. Obviously since it's just about the most-read and -posted on thread in all of Chesstalk, some people see some value in having it.
Jean's suggestion did not exactly respond to what I had said (I can hardly see why any organization in 2009 would even consider sponsoring chess anywhere in North America.).
Jordan,
I will try to be clearer. You can pick your favorite reason among this incomplete list:
1) the sponsor (who is generally a person before being an organisation or a corporation) personally likes chess. This is the case with the current Montreal International sponsored by Empresa. Of course they welcome a little visibility but that is secondary.
2) the sponsor has a kid playing chess;
3) the sponsor believes in chess as an educational tool for our youth (it would help to promote the game to convinve more people of that...) and wants to help out promoting it as a service to the community;
4) the sponsor cares about being involved and making a difference in having a prestige event;
5) the sponsor (the city for example) sees an opportunity to put his town on the map (that was the case in 1988 for the Chess Festival in St-John, New-Brunswick). A national championship in St-John NF is likely to attract that kind of sponsorship;
6) the sponsor knows that even in North America chess is played by millions and known by tens of million people; and through the internet any tournament with decent coverage will have a world wide audience;
7) the kind of pocket money we are looking for makes the sponsor uneasy to say "no" in fear of looking cheap. :)
I would quote and requote, but clearly your understanding of the big picture is a lot broader than mine.
That said, would you be interested in helping to organize a Closed here in St. John's, NL?
Jordan
PS - that's not a sarcastic question, I'm honestly asking for your help...
Jordon, are you all right? You haven't been holding your breath waiting for Jean's answer, have you?
I'm sure that despite his ENORMOUS EXPERTISE as to what an organizer needs to do to promote chess, and despite his ENORMOUS DESIRE to promote chess, Jean Hebert has NO INTEREST in helping organize any tournament outside of Quebec. Why, that would mean putting up signs! And name cards on tables!
Unless, of course, you tell him that he doesn't have to sweat anything, he just needs to lend his name to the event, and you have all sponsorship lined up so that he can just sit back and enjoy the accolades from having his name associated.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Will you be taking a run at chess organizing yourself Paul? You certainly have a lot of ideas and strong opinions. Putting them to the test successfully would be the best way to gain credibility.
I'm sure that despite his ENORMOUS EXPERTISE as to what an organizer needs to do to promote chess, and despite his ENORMOUS DESIRE to promote chess, Jean Hebert has NO INTEREST in helping organize any tournament outside of Quebec. Why, that would mean putting up signs! And name cards on tables!
Unless, of course, you tell him that he doesn't have to sweat anything, he just needs to lend his name to the event, and you have all sponsorship lined up so that he can just sit back and enjoy the accolades from having his name associated.
Paul my friend,
Get on the threadmill, and work out a good sweat to let that extra energy out. Then sit and read, instead of writing. That might do ENORMOUS wonders for you. :)
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