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  • Kerry Liles
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    Originally posted by Sam Sharpe View Post
    What a hot mess that show was last night.
    Sure was. Everyone who watched all or most of that now has a permanent sleep disorder.

    I bailed after the first 10 minutes but went back later to catch about the last half hour.
    What a dumpster fire the U.S. is right now.

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  • Hans Jung
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    Hey! I resent that. Chesstalk is a semi-honorable place.

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  • Sam Sharpe
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    What a hot mess that show was last night.

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  • Peter McKillop
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
    Excellent debate with Wallace and Biden tag-teaming Trump. Biden threw the left under the bus. Denied the socialist manifesto that he signed. Denied the Green New Deal in one part of the debate but affirmed it in another. Confirmed that he would be packing the court and getting rid of the filibuster.

    Surprised that Ilhan Omar didn't come up with her vote harvesting scheme.
    Regardless of which party they support, I wonder how any intelligent American can comsider last night's jackassery to he a good thing for their country. Just one more reason for America to be ridiculed around the world. They should be holding their so-called debates at Chesstalk.

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  • Victor Plotkin
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    After debate, Biden has 57% and Trump 43% chances, according to marathonbet.com. Something like rating gap of 50 points. 2850-2800 ... or 500-450.

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Excellent debate with Wallace and Biden tag-teaming Trump. Biden threw the left under the bus. Denied the socialist manifesto that he signed. Denied the Green New Deal in one part of the debate but affirmed it in another. Confirmed that he would be packing the court and getting rid of the filibuster.

    Surprised that Ilhan Omar didn't come up with her vote harvesting scheme.

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  • Lucas Davies
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    Electionbettingodds currently has Biden up 3.1% and Trump down 2.5% following tonight's debate: https://www.electionbettingodds.com/4hr.html

    Betting odds are taken from Betfair.com and PredictIt.com

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post

    6 (Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin).
    Hey Bob, your numbers are wrong, but you got this part correct.
    These are the 6 battleground states were Biden leads but with Republicans legislatures that Trump could steal. Add Florida, and you get the 7.

    There are 22 Red States with total of 170 electoral college votes.
    Add: Florida 29, Georgia 16, easy steals for Trump with help of locals.
    Total now 215 votes.
    Trump just needs to steal another 55 votes of the total 90 votes from the 6 battleground states you list.



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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hi Bob G:

    Thanks......now I get it.....can I play with the figures a bit, and interpret, to confirm:

    Committed Blue: 13 (+ DC)
    Expected Blue: 14 (Biden Leading in all)

    Committed Red: 15
    Expected Red: 2 (Georgia & Florida - Trump leading)

    Reds that can be turned blue (Either Biden wins them, or, if not, hoping that, if Trump does win them again, their state legislatures will overturn the popular vote win by Trump, and appoint electors who will vote Biden): 6 (Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin).

    Questions:

    1. Of the 6 red states you hope to win for their electoral college vote, in how many are Biden currently leading, and if so, is it by more than 3 %?
    2. In how many of them do the Democrats control the State (Though won by Trump in 2016)?

    Bob A

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Hi Bob G:

    Just curious - currently how many states are "blue" and how many are "red" in your analysis?

    And there are only 7 States that are generally considered up for grabs? All the other 44 States are expected to stay with their current parties?

    This is a pretty dug in dual country.

    Further question if you know - of the X committed "blue" states, how many would be considered "rural" states? I ask because in Canada, the two major parties are sort of dug in via the "rural" vs "urban" seats, in my current analysis (Correct me if you disagree on this analysis of the Canadian partisan divide).

    Thanks.....anyone else.....chime in on the general theories!

    Bob A
    Hi Bob,

    Blue States 13 (plus DC)
    Red States 22
    Battleground states 15

    Total 50 states plus DC

    So, my analysis started out looking closely at the 15 Battleground states. Biden is currently leading in all of them except Georgia.
    Now I do agree with our friend that Florida is not a battleground state, since Trump will steal it anyway.

    But then my focus shifted to which states can Trump steal by getting the state legislatures to overturn the popular vote and appoint electors.
    There are 7 battleground states where Biden leads in the polls but have Republican legislators. So that's how I got to 7, including Florida.





    Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 29th September, 2020, 06:19 PM.

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post

    I wouldn't consider Florida a battleground state. The Cuban mafia/sugar industry gets whatever it wants, and it seems that the Republican administrators do, too. Despite voters wishes, 10% of citizens can't vote due to their past criminal records and if the vote get close, votes in populous black areas won't be counted, like in 2000 when Bush stole the election from Gore. Interesting, working on Bush's legal team in that dispute were Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Two judges Trump is counting on to win any court disputes in this election.

    Since 2000 the Republicans have grown smarter in removing Black Americans from the voters list and putting up hurdles in poor districts (as well as their facebook campaigns of misinformation). So I really doubt Biden will win any of them. Too bad, even in Michigan where Republican administrators chose to poison the whole Flint community.
    They did remove the dead ones, which is no small source of annoyance for democrats as everyone who died and voted reliably, voted democrat.

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  • Lucas Davies
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    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...66457968381955

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hi Bob G:

    Just curious - currently how many states are "blue" and how many are "red" in your analysis?

    And there are only 7 States that are generally considered up for grabs? All the other 44 States are expected to stay with their current parties?

    This is a pretty dug in dual country.

    Further question if you know - of the X committed "blue" states, how many would be considered "rural" states? I ask because in Canada, the two major parties are sort of dug in via the "rural" vs "urban" seats, in my current analysis (Correct me if you disagree on this analysis of the Canadian partisan divide).

    Thanks.....anyone else.....chime in on the general theories!

    Bob A

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  • Erik Malmsten
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    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Did anyone see Fareed Zakaria's show today.

    ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBgw...ab_channel=CNN

    So, this puts a whole new complexion on the Presidential race.

    My analysis shows Biden should collect 233 electoral college votes from blue states.
    So he needs another 37 votes to win.

    There are 7 battleground states where he currently leads.

    Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
    total of 119 votes. Win them all and it is a landslide Biden win with 352 votes.

    However, these 7 states have Republican legislatures.
    They could simply reject the election results and pick Trump.

    Result: Trump gets crushed in the actual election results, but is President for 4 more years anyway.

    And this is what passes as Democracy in the USA.

    I wouldn't consider Florida a battleground state. The Cuban mafia/sugar industry gets whatever it wants, and it seems that the Republican administrators do, too. Despite voters wishes, 10% of citizens can't vote due to their past criminal records and if the vote get close, votes in populous black areas won't be counted, like in 2000 when Bush stole the election from Gore. Interesting, working on Bush's legal team in that dispute were Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Two judges Trump is counting on to win any court disputes in this election.

    Since 2000 the Republicans have grown smarter in removing Black Americans from the voters list and putting up hurdles in poor districts (as well as their facebook campaigns of misinformation). So I really doubt Biden will win any of them. Too bad, even in Michigan where Republican administrators chose to poison the whole Flint community.

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post

    You might find the next part interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV7o...ProjectVeritas

    They appear to already be giving cash for votes. Personally, I think it should be legal. But at the moment it's a pretty serious crime.
    The video was on Hannity last night which means that the Republicans have all seen it. Expect shoes to drop and it to be a topic in tonight's debate along with Hunter Biden.

    The Dems will be fighting for the return of the kleptocracy.

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