The Elephant in the Room in The Queen's Gambit

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    The Elephant in the Room in The Queen's Gambit

    Article about the most glaring flaw in the highly successful Netflix series The Queen's Gambit

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/bar...nts-to-mention

    I watched the series and found it very interesting and very well done from a cinematic point of view. Excellent story line and photography etc.
    Of course, the chessboards were set up correctly and almost all of the chess related information was spot on. Like others, the fixation on her
    dependence on drugs and alcohol (no matter how well explained by the dreadful orphanage situation...) was a bit disconcerting but overall
    it was a great series.

    My only concern initially was that they did not show her losing very many games along the way... and of course, the actual high profile
    tournament games were showing players moving rather quickly at all stages of the games (but of course, real time coverage would push
    the series to 1024 episodes...lol) No big deal really.

    The National Post article points out the big elephant in the series: the actual state of play of women versus men in the real world.
    I suspect Susan Polgar has likely also pointed this out (as would Judit Polgar, Hou Yifan etc.) It is what it is.
    I don't see it changing much lately or any time soon.
    ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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    There are some fairly absurd assertions in this article, but this one most so:

    To me, chess is so universally standardized, accessible and culturally unencumbered an activity, it can be considered a control experiment in sex-based differences between men and women.
    Math and the sciences were standardized in schools, but there was still a massive gap between men and women. Eventually people figured out that this was because of social pressures and expectations, and there's been a dramatic shift in recent decades. To simply say, "Well anyone can do it so culture has no impact," is just incredibly ignorant.
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    • #3
      This ChessBase article provides a good statistical analysis that explains the difference is due to applying the same statistical distribution to very different sample sizes: https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-gender-gap-in-chess

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      • #4
        Another article about "why all the best chess players are men" ... (I'm just the messenger)

        https://slate.com/technology/2020/12...ayers-men.html
        ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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        • #5
          Elephant in your room is FIDE.

          And by extension those Federations who are in lockstep with FIDE ... such as the Chess Federation of Canada.

          __________________________________________________

          Woman's FIDE Title Qualifications...

          Woman Candidate Master (WCM)
          Woman Candidate Master is the lowest-ranking title awarded by FIDE. This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2000 or more.

          Woman FIDE Master (WFM)
          This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2100 or more.

          Woman International Master (WIM)
          The WIM title has lower requirements than the unrestricted (Men's) International Master (of 2400) title.

          Woman Grandmaster (WGM)
          The WGM title is ranked lower than that of (Men's) International Master (IM, of 2400) but higher than that of (Men's) FIDE Master (FM, of 2300).


          Men's FIDE Title Qualifications...

          Candidate Master (CM)
          Introduced in 2002, the usual way for a player to qualify for the Candidate Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2200 or more.

          FIDE Master (FM)
          The usual way for a player to qualify for the FIDE Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2300 or more.

          International Master (IM)
          The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2400 or more.

          Grandmaster (GM)
          The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2500 or more.

          ____________________________________________________


          Remind me again ... which chess Federations encourage FIDE's inequalities?

          CFC





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          • #6
            Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
            Men's FIDE Title Qualifications...
            Can you paste a picture where it is written "MEN'S" in FIDE title qualifications?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
              Elephant in your room is FIDE.

              And by extension those Federations who are in lockstep with FIDE ... such as the Chess Federation of Canada.

              __________________________________________________

              Woman's FIDE Title Qualifications...

              Woman Candidate Master (WCM)
              Woman Candidate Master is the lowest-ranking title awarded by FIDE. This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2000 or more.

              Woman FIDE Master (WFM)
              This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2100 or more.

              Woman International Master (WIM)
              The WIM title has lower requirements than the unrestricted (Men's) International Master (of 2400) title.

              Woman Grandmaster (WGM)
              The WGM title is ranked lower than that of (Men's) International Master (IM, of 2400) but higher than that of (Men's) FIDE Master (FM, of 2300).


              Men's FIDE Title Qualifications...

              Candidate Master (CM)
              Introduced in 2002, the usual way for a player to qualify for the Candidate Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2200 or more.

              FIDE Master (FM)
              The usual way for a player to qualify for the FIDE Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2300 or more.

              International Master (IM)
              The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2400 or more.

              Grandmaster (GM)
              The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2500 or more.

              ____________________________________________________


              Remind me again ... which chess Federations encourage FIDE's inequalities?

              CFC




              So Egidijus, remind me again ... why does your FIDE and by extension your Chess Federation of Canada ... continue to debase Women?

              Time to look into the mirror.

              Time for the CFC & FIDE to measure up.




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              Last edited by Neil Frarey; Monday, 14th December, 2020, 02:03 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                ....
                First send the picture of the FIDE title qualifications for "MEN's" before going to acquisitions. Not a random text from the internet.

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                • #9
                  Yet another article (although it seems to be "anonymous") ...
                  Includes an interesting interview with Bobby Fischer where he very much belittles women (as chess players and in several other ways).
                  The interviewer baits him with some loaded questions and Fischer seems happy to take the bait.
                  Last edited by Kerry Liles; Thursday, 17th December, 2020, 07:05 PM.
                  ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                    Yet another article (although it seems to be "anonymous") ...


                    Includes an interesting interview with Bobby Fischer where he very much belittles women (as chess players and in several other ways).
                    The interviewer baits him with some loaded questions and Fischer seems happy to take the bait.
                    Ya I read that a couple of days ago ... unfortunately doesn't call out FIDE. Calls out Nigel as she should but stop 'short' of FIDE relentless debasing of women ... FIDE rating Woman's segregation should be eliminated.

                    And about that what Fischer said in that CBC interview ... Bobby was just a child right? Did his views mature in his adult years?

                    Shocked me to listen to his views ... even if he was still a child.






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                    Last edited by Neil Frarey; Thursday, 17th December, 2020, 09:23 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post

                      So Egidijus, remind me again ... why does your FIDE and by extension your Chess Federation of Canada ... continue to debase Women?

                      Time to look into the mirror.

                      Time for the CFC & FIDE to measure up.


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                      It seems to me that four days ago you insulted Egidijus by accusing him of being involved somehow in a plot to debase women. EZ responded by saying (paraphrasing) 'evidence before accusations'. So, Neil, isn't it time to either put up your evidence or apologize for your baseless insult?
                      "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                      "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                      "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post

                        It seems to me ...
                        Misinterpretation, Peter.

                        Yet again, ha!



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post

                          Misinterpretation, Peter.

                          Yet again, ha!


                          No misinterpretation. You insulted EZ loud and clear. You going to do something appropriate about it or just carry on with your usual weasel BS?
                          "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                          "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                          "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                            Elephant in your room is FIDE.

                            And by extension those Federations who are in lockstep with FIDE ... such as the Chess Federation of Canada.

                            __________________________________________________

                            Woman's FIDE Title Qualifications...

                            Woman Candidate Master (WCM)
                            Woman Candidate Master is the lowest-ranking title awarded by FIDE. This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2000 or more.

                            Woman FIDE Master (WFM)
                            This title may be achieved by gaining a FIDE rating of 2100 or more.

                            Woman International Master (WIM)
                            The WIM title has lower requirements than the unrestricted (Men's) International Master (of 2400) title.

                            Woman Grandmaster (WGM)
                            The WGM title is ranked lower than that of (Men's) International Master (IM, of 2400) but higher than that of (Men's) FIDE Master (FM, of 2300).


                            Men's FIDE Title Qualifications...

                            Candidate Master (CM)
                            Introduced in 2002, the usual way for a player to qualify for the Candidate Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2200 or more.

                            FIDE Master (FM)
                            The usual way for a player to qualify for the FIDE Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2300 or more.

                            International Master (IM)
                            The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2400 or more.

                            Grandmaster (GM)
                            The usual way to obtain the title is to achieve the required title norms over 27 or more games and a FIDE rating of 2500 or more.

                            ____________________________________________________


                            Remind me again ... which chess Federations encourage FIDE's inequalities?

                            CFC

                            Not only is it EZ's CFC and EZ's FIDE ... I see it is yours too, Peter!

                            Just because you think that you're nothing more than a lowly CFC member doesn't EXCLUDE you from the activities of that which you're a member.

                            K?

                            The real insult?

                            It comes from you & your fellow CFC members who CONDONE FIDE's activities . Chess Federation of Canada is in lockstep with FIDE's relentless debasing of women.

                            Time for the CFC to level up. As much of a struggle that will be ... it will be well worth the effort!

                            You really think that your FIDE's lowest-ranking title should be awarded to a woman?

                            ETC., ETC., ETC..

                            K?

                            Are we clear?

                            Time to close ranks?



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                            Last edited by Neil Frarey; Saturday, 19th December, 2020, 01:38 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
                              You really think that your FIDE's lowest-ranking title should be awarded to a woman?
                              Why are you putting adjectives what are not in the FIDE regulations.

                              Players are free to fill papers or do nothing when they fulfill requirements for the title; would they be men or women. Several examples Polgar, Kramnik jumped over titles.

                              Now tell us about other hundreds women who don't bother with your rhetoric and proudly wears WGM and WIM. Seems that the elephant is created for the sake of argument by those have no idea what's happening in chess. Something in a sense going to a random forum and bolding about lack of women there and here. NBA is a good start. Other please list women as the Prime Minister of Canada.

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